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Yesterday I posted this same coin and there were a few of you that called it 58 to 62. But also a few that definitely called it less than MS, some 58's and even one at 55/58, and also a comment about wear on the reverse. So I am not asking for you to re grade it but only asking for explanations of why you called the grade as you did. I want to learn about what you see that makes you call this less than MS, even as low as 55. As I said in yesterdays post, I was concerned about the cuts to her cheek, but I never saw any wear, none other than perhaps a little cabinet rub on the eagles breast and far lest than many graded 63's or even 64's. So I'm asking anyone that called this AU (or anyone that didn't but would care to chime in with an answer), to not just give me a grade but to explain their call and help me see what you see/saw. Here's the link to that post. http://goccf.com/t/407698And here are the same pictures I posted yesterday of that same coin.   One caveat. One thing I do see is the eagles right wing tip. I've seen this many times on many different years and mint marks and it seems to be a weak strike spot, looks worn but it isn't. I spent only 5 minutes scanning on ebay graded Morgans currently for sale and came up with 3 examples of the same flat looks-like-wear right wing tips in a 1886P MS-65, 1883O MS-63, and a 1921P MS-64. I'll include the links. https://www.ebay.com/itm/224612365233https://www.ebay.com/itm/265267281782https://www.ebay.com/itm/194357429246 |
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As I understand it, the images above are seller pics. Would love to see in-hand photos when you get the coin. Might allow us to better judge the grade.
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The main reason is I see no way the coin would have that appearance if it were just pulled out of a mint bag. The mint frost is gone in the fields around the eagle, on the breast and legs, and other high points. Same for the cheek. This suggests quite a bit of handling that removed surface so reasonable to conclude it was lightly circulated and, hence, the AU-58 designation.
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Fenton called it. the missing luster around the eagle is a dead giveaway for being handled quite a bit
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 The fields around the eagle show rub. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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The mint frost is gone in the fields around the eagle, on the breast and legs, and other high points. OK, I see that and hadn't noticed before. So then can somebody explain "handled improperly" vs "circulated". It appears to me that if one is not careful in how you hold a coin "by the edge", then holding it between your fingers would impart oils and dirt from your fingers on to the coin. Is that then considered wear even if the coin was never circulated. How can a coin be considered "Almost Uncirculated" if it never circulated but is dirty from mishandling? Anybody want to touch that? |
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"Circulated" reflects the condition of a coin, not its history. If a coin circulates in someone's pocket for a few days, it could still be in uncirculated condition. Conversely, if a coin is mishandled enough that it shows on the coin, it could be considered AU.
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Hair right above the ear.
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I graded it at 55/58. Luster missing around the eagle from circulation. Circulation rub on cheek and neck. Possible wear on hair above ear and on eagle's breast. The cut will most likely not detail the coin but it would hurt the value, so a net grade of AU55 would be possible. Those were my thought for the grade.
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"Circulated" reflects the condition of a coin, not its history. If a coin circulates in someone's pocket for a few days, it could still be in uncirculated condition. Conversely, if a coin is mishandled enough that it shows on the coin, it could be considered AU. Great answer Zurie, makes sense that way. Quote:
Possible wear on hair above ear Slider and Oldfordman ........ Could be but I kinda doubt it. And my opinion that differs from yours has nothing to do with value, the difference in value between a raw 55 and 58 is negligible. This is purely on what I see vs what you see and why. I Have not seen such sharpness and clarity around the cotton boles and leaves that this Morgan exhibits that's not usually seen on a Morgan graded less than in the mid 60's. Don't think it's possible to get enough wear to call this a 55 and yet have zero wear there, I mean nada, zip at the leaves and cotton boles. I believe your seeing a few scratches in a dark picture of hair above the ear and the rub in the fields around the eagle and possibly on her cheek. So maybe enough to keep it from getting a MS designation, but a 55 ....... can't see it. But like always, I appreciate every answer whether I agree or not, this is how I learn, so thank you all. Here's a blow up of that area.  |
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Hair right above the ear. the 89(P) are known for weak strikes therefore what appears to be wear around the ear is most likely strike related |
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I'd give it an AU55 grade. Why not send it in?
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I'd give it an AU55 grade. Why not send it in? the coin has pretty much a max value of about $40. grading/shipping would cost that much. |
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