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1859-S $1 Liberty Seated Dollar - Osburn-Cushing 1

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 Posted 09/28/2021  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
What are you seeing that makes you believe that this coin is cleaned? Always trying to learn from you experts. Thanks!
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 Posted 09/28/2021  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
There is no evidence of the kind of luster you'd expect to find on an example with this little wear, at least in these pics.
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09/28/2021 6:36 pm
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 Posted 09/28/2021  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
That makes sense. Will have to examine closely when it gets here.
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 Posted 09/28/2021  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Heymikep to your friends list
Did you but this from the Osburn-Cushing website? If so have they even responded? Have they shipped the coin to you? I purchased a coin from them about 2 weeks ago and sent them a check, they have yet to responded to any v-mail, email or text and have not cashed the check either! I wonder if something might have happened to them?
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 Posted 09/28/2021  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
Ditto what Frog says. Surfaces look dull a muted. No original skin left on this one (at least in these pics). There is no variation in the surfaces in the way they reflect the light. You'd expect some original luster in the protected areas around the devices at this grade.
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 Posted 09/28/2021  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
@Heymikep - No, but from what I can tell, everyone is busy gearing up for Long Beach. Not sure you have much to worry about with Brian. Having said that 2 weeks is a long time and seems very unprofessional. Maybe they are having trouble getting customer service staff. Hope it's not something more serious. Sorry that I can't be more help, but maybe someone else can shed more light.
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09/28/2021 7:05 pm
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 Posted 09/28/2021  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
Thanks Ty. After looking at countless *** Edited by Staff | The bad word filter is in place for a reason. Bypassing the filter and making the intended word obvious anyway is completely unacceptable. *** Seated dollars, I wouldn't be surprised to see AU straight-graded LSDs with no luster. Personally, it looked like a really nice XF45 to me due to the lack of luster.
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 Posted 09/28/2021  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
On balance, the reverse toning is a gray-blue, closer to "gull gray" than a true blue. Some older varnishes and shellacs can react with silver to do this. Just a possibility, combined with a hunch, but this may have been in a wood case or cabinet for some time.

Either that, or you may have Orcs very, very near you.
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 Posted 09/28/2021  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
Was also thinking that maybe someone spilled some gun blueing rub on a table and some got on one side of the coin. No idea if that can really happen or not, but its similar to your theory of exposure to varnish and shellac.
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 Posted 09/28/2021  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
Curious what in hand pics will bring, could very well be the images.

I also wouldn't doubt PCGS straight grading it, given the rarity (they like being lenient at times). I too have seen many LSD's with this look straight grade. I'm just calling it as I see it (I'm usually wrong HA!) That said, still has great eye appeal. I especially like the obverse toning.
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 Posted 09/29/2021  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
XF45. I'm betting its straight

thanks for the history lessons on your posts. love learning about this
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 Posted 10/01/2021  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
This one came in not looking blue at all. Further thoughts? Thanks!

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 Posted 10/01/2021  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
XF45 Nice coin. It appears that the seller's white balance is off on the photo.
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 Posted 10/01/2021  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add apcol258 to your friends list
Be careful that the fields have not been smoothed or tooled over.
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 Posted 10/01/2021  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
As far as cleaning goes, sure it was likely cleaned at some point but it looks market-acceptable today. I honestly think it's an AU50 easily.
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