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Variations From The Eastern Caribbean States (Ecs):

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 Posted 11/08/2021  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list
Thanks 'jbuck,' 'commems' & 'Orac' for following this thread & providing some feedback or insight into your experiences. If there are any World currency collectors, or collectors from the region, & you would like to add, please feel free to do so. 'Orac' I actually did receive some decent banknotes from an ATM one time while living near Castries (they were $10 or $20 I believe). But, unfortunately, I just didn't have enough spare money to tuck away either (& at the time I had made a commitment to collect BoC (Canadian) currency exclusively.

Anyway, I'd just like to close up by summarizing what occurred to the various series up to the recent VERTICAL designs.

Allow me to back up a little once again. The 1994 series was unremarkable other than the fact that the square box obscuring the denomination MARKER was removed & that P-34 FIFTY DOLLARS had a significant colour overhaul (aqua-marine blue tint added to avoid confusion with the $100 P-35). This was a problem that often occurred between the 1993 $50 & $100 (as the colour schemes were similar -esp in poor light). I have also found it quite ironic that 1993 series was the 1st year the bar codes were added to aid the visually impaired to ID each denomination (& yet the 1993 series failed so miserably to be easily identified). The revised 1994 series got rid of the squares (& the funky fonts) so that the MARKER numerals were much clearer to distinguish.

In 1998, the $100 had a gold foil orchid shaped security device added to the FRONT (Obverse) for additional suggesting it may have been subject to counterfeiting.

In the 2000 Series, 2 unique gold foiled fish were added to the $5 & $10, a butterfly graced the $10 & two types of flowers were added to the $50 & $100. Foiled security devices would be a feature of the next design upgrades. I added an example of the $10 on my initial post & below is a $5 from Montserrat (P-37m):
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In 2003 P-42 to P-46 have squared off silver foiled security devices (of the same themes) replacing the gold foil optical devices. This also happens to be the last series to employ suffix association to island member states.

In 2008, P-47 to P-51, suffix designation designation is replaced by 2 letter prefixes. All islands received similar notes (no member state signified). Here's an example of P-47 ($5):
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-this note has the AD prefix. It would be interesting to know what the last prefix of this series was for each denomination.

In 2012 & 2015 the ECCB notes P-52 to P-55 have one more significant design modification. The first series (2012) indicated by an (a), so that P-52a has a QEII watermark on the $10, while P-52b has no watermark, but an extra thick segmented security strip. Also note that in 2012, the $5 has been retired. See the link below for examples of the two different TEN DOLLAR denominations:
http://www.banknote.ws/COLLECTION/c.../XCD0052.htm

I have found almost all of the variations (suffixes) from 1994 until today to be fairly easy to acquire if one wants to obtain these. The only challenging notes are typically the higher denominations from 1993 back to 1965.
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More lovely examples.

These topics, like the one Commems created for the Bahamas, have provided me an opportunity to appreciate varied differences in otherwise similar banknote designs. I have come to appreciate them like I have the die varieties on coins.
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 Posted 11/08/2021  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list
@walk2dwater: Thanks for the series of ECS posts. I've never really looked into the notes of the Eastern Caribbean States, so I enjoyed the show!

I can see myself pursuing a set of the $5.00 notes at some point.




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 Posted 04/02/2022  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list

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@walk2dwater: Thanks for the series of ECS posts. I've never really looked into the notes of the Eastern Caribbean States, so I enjoyed the show!

Thanks @commems! It really feels gratifying if I can nudge collectors off the "collect whatever" hamster wheel & hopefully provide a little guidance. I have personally witnessed some amazing sets (with bonafide "trophy" notes) which were assembled by 2 Canadian expert collectors & if I can help someone define their collecting goal(s) then I'm good with that. I doubt I will ever be able to afford the notes I saw so I've tried to find niches that are affordable & I believe the ECS (& many QEII nations) would qualify.

Since starting this post in October 2021, I have since acquired a few target notes. Here is the first:

It is P-15g $20 from 1965 but released in the mid 1980's:
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While you'd think that these would be plentiful (only being 40 years old) I have found them to be anything but! I have been on the look out for this note for 4 years & finally won the above note for a price that didn't break my bank account.
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Since starting this post in October 2021, I have since acquired a few target notes. Here is the first: It is P-15g $20 from 1965 but released in the mid 1980's:
Excellent!
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 Posted 04/10/2022  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list

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Excellent!

-Thanks @jbuck. That was the 3rd last note I needed for my ECS set.

Now I will recap what I wrote about:

1993 MARKERS obscured by square issue:

In 1993, the ECS ... introduced the FIFTY DOLLAR denomination (P-29). The design employs the same portrait of QEII but the horizontal serial number gradually increases in size. Several of the design elements remain the same but they're just jostled around or re-positioned on the note, with design weaves and splashes of colour to create a bolder look. The one flaw is that the denomination marker (numeral) overlaps a patterned square. This makes the denomination tough to read (is that a $10 or $50) for those with visual impairments (or even in poor lighting). I had seen a few while living in St. Lucia and they were easy to mix up.

I have been wanting to acquire the 1993 $10 & $50 for about 4 years & I won these two:

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The two notes look remarkable similar & were the source of much frustration for the shot year they were released. The differences on the front are TEN/FIFTY, a slight colour shift of QEII & the numeral MARKERS 10 & 50 & the reverse designs. In the dark they looked identical (unless one flipped to check the reverse). Nevertheless, the printers revised their designs so the numeral markers were easier to discern & the $50 became greener in colour.
http://www.banknote.ws/COLLECTION/c.../XCD0029.htm
http://www.banknote.ws/COLLECTION/c.../XCD0034.htm

This is one of the reason I'm primarily interested in 1993 (or earlier) ECS issues.
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 Posted 04/11/2022  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Very interesting!

I can see myself giving a dishonest vendor a $50 when I meant to use a $10.
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 Posted 04/21/2022  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list
I have a couple of notes from the Eastern Carribean bank from my time working on cruise ships.
A $10 and a $20 both signed by Dwight Venner

This thread just made me look at them... they have the suffic A, so presumably I oicked them up from Antigua.

I find that notes I picked up from circulation on my various travels have a bit of extra meaning for me... I didn't know there was quite so much to these ones though. Thanks for the info.
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 Posted 04/21/2022  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list

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. they have the suffix A, so presumably I picked them up from Antigua.


Hey @DavidUK, I lived in St. Lucia for nearly a year & got a whole mix of various suffixes from other countries (A, L, D, G & some, like "U" for Anguilla, were seldom seen). Sure, the majority were A & L suffixes, from St. Lucia/Antigua, but the suffixes do get mixed up by the banks, hotels, the tourists, businesses & the exchange houses, etc.

I was there in 1995 & I think I saw one 1993 $50 a buddy of mine had & I saw the odd ratty $1.00 but they were mostly using coins by then.
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We were paid in US dollars and spent that but received change in local currencies, much of it ratty as you put it.

I didn't really pick up a whole lot that trip, I remember seeing a little stall in a mall somewhere that had silver certificates so I picked up a couple of unexceptional notes there. Also I tried to aquire some coinage from Aruba which was all modern but attractive with its squared coins.

Still I was young and chasing girls rather than currency.
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We were paid in US dollars and spent that but received change in local currencies, much of it ratty as you put it.

-Thanks @DavidUK for sharing your experience in the EC. You probably did better than me as I don't recall keeping one note!

Here's my last ECS acquisition (this $20 note from St. Lucia):
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Here's my last ECS acquisition (this $20 note from St. Lucia):
Outstanding!
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Since I began this thread (a few years ago), I have picked up a few notes to cover some gaps.

The first was a cheap $1.00 I purchased from Allens & submitted to PMG (for a GEM 66 grade):

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This P-13f version was an easy note to obtain while the initial P-13a & P-13c seem to be the tough ones.

All of my 1986 series had no Anguilla (P-17 to P-20) are relatively easy (except higher denoms) so I wanted to pick up a modified series (P-21 to P-24) which included Anguilla on the map in the design. These are much tougher than the early versions (& it took longer than I expected).

St. Lucia/Antigua suffixes seemed to be the easiest while this one from Anguilla (P-21U) was the 3rd easiest (the rest being quite tough):
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For the higher denoms, the 2nd signature (Dwight Venner) can be much more challenging than the 1st (Jacobs) signature.
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