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Valued Member
 United States
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@t360 I appreciate the reminder to think about the important things. There's 3000 miles between us, and signs of dementia, but I'm trying to at least keep him up to date on my finds, and recently mailed him a few CRH treasures so he can share in the excitement of them (and also frankly there's just no replacement for the excitement of showing him them in-person). @plumcrazy814 this is exactly the perspective I was looking for  Thank you for the clarity. I think I'll follow John1's advice and simply try to fairly purchase what I can when the time comes.
Edited by wadahek 11/06/2021 10:03 am
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Rest in Peace
United States
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When you have a get together with your Grandfather start talking a little about coins and the ones you have so far .Then nonchalantly tell him that you'll be passing down your collection to your kids and Grandkids . Maybe he will say to himself ; Hmm , why didn't I think of that . Just don't say ( Hey Grandpa, Who You Giving Your Coins To When You Pass On ?) 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Does he know of your particular enthusiasm for the hobby?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
I'm at that age where a will is a necessity. My suggestion is to simply tell him to leave his coins to you when that time comes. I just went through a death in family that is a real mess due to a lousy will. Discuss a will and trust with him and other family members.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Saying something directly would seem inappropriate given that there are 17 grandkids.
Edited by Coinfrog 11/06/2021 4:03 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
18456 Posts |
I have to agree with coinfrog , you just can't go up to the Grandfather and say : just leave your coins to me when you die because I'm the only grandchild that appreciates all coins . 
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Rest in Peace
 United States
1380 Posts |
I seriously disagree with the don't say anything crowd. I am getting where I need to think about what happens to my collection. I got a large start on it from my father's collection when he passed and he asked if I would keep it and not sell it as it meant something to him. I would love for one of my nieces or nephews to ask for it so that I knew it would go to someone who wanted it for what it was and not just something to sell to buy a new sofa or car or whatever. Ask him. He may be hoping for someone to show the desire to have it.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
5404 Posts |
Agree with a couple of the above comments , don't even think of bringing It up . Avarice pretty much says it all with 17 grandchildren involved . If he is a wise man , and by collecting coins I am sure he is , he has a last will and testament in place . Any spouse or children surely come ahead of you . You also mention possible dementia . If you wish to stay part of your family Best let it go and build your own collection . For all you know the collection could be sold while your Grandfather is still very alive , with the proceeds being used to enjoy his life or used for a nice donation . Mine , no fighting necessary , the coins go to auction , hopefully while I am alive , so I can attend said auction . Then I can present the very nice donation in person to the SPCA .
Edited by Pacificoin 11/07/2021 12:14 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7078 Posts |
Unless you get the collection soon, just assume it never existed...A Will means nothing.....nothing...greed will overcome the executor. That collection will turn out to be 5 or 6 coins...Whoever lives closest will clear out his home...
Sorry, that's the way I've seen it (too many times)
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
Numismatically, you have the right sort of grandpa. I think it is worth having a conversation with him, but delicate family unwritten protocols may change that. Have a talk with other members of your family first. One possible difference to me is that I have always let be known what the future plans for my collection were going to be. I have simply split my collection into two, divided equally between my kids. The collection would be valued at a few tens of $thousands. Of the exact total value, I have only a vague idea, and I don't really care. They decided how the collection was to be divided. Why should I get a revalue assessment each year, like a greedy king counting his money? Better to give as much of your physical stuff (coins included), away to your beneficiaries, before you die. That is the advice I got from the public auctioneer. They can keep, or sell their own part of the collection as they deem fit for themselves, because they already own the collection. All I have done is spent almost of my life putting the collection together. I have had my fun.  I expect that most of the collection will be dispersed, via public auction. I don't really care. Good family relations are far more important.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Realistically, unless it's a very large estate, he will have probably put the assets in a trust to support your grandmother until her death with the remaining value then distributed to his children. The grandchildren may (or may not) receive a nominal amount.
The collection will be sold to fund the trust.
That's what both of my grandfathers did. And it was a good thing and very smart - theirs was a generation when women didn't handle money beyond the household account. One grandmother lived to 99, remaining comfortable in her own home.
The other grandmother was the kind who could never not reply to a well-written fund-raising appeal from a worthy organization. Because she had little actual income (the trust handled most expenses), the IRS chose to audit her one year for her $3,000 in charitable deductions.
After several go-arounds, the IRS wouldn't budge in having her accountant show up at the IRS office IN PERSON.
The story is that he walked in with a stack of 200 checks (remember when banks returned the checks), rubberbanded with an adding machine tape (remember those?). He removed the rubber bands, put the tape to the side, and tipped the stack of checks so that it was laid on the table as dealers do with a new deck of cards. He then looked at the IRS agent and said, "Read them and weep".
He was a very, very good accountant. And he had clearly had it up to the eyeballs with the IRS giving him grief over his smallest account, one that he kept only because of his fifty-year association with my grandfather (class of 19xx at that P school).
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It all depends on what kind of person your grandfather is. Maybe he wants you to be direct and ask him. Or that could be inappropriate. If you know him well, your decision should be based on that. There is a lot of grandchildren, he might be splitting it up evenly. Or there could be ones that he favors and I'm sure that could have a lot to do with what he leaves to whom.
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: It all depends on what kind of person your grandfather is.  . If you don't know him very well, I would recommend to stay and touch and spend more time with him. By then you can only cross your fingers. If you kind of know him, maybe bring up a couple of coins that hold the most importance, and possibly have been in the family for multi generations. He will want those coins with emotional attachment to go to a good home. If you know him very well, be frank with him and ask about the entire collection. Describe what is most important to you, and maybe you both can work something out. Whichever path you choose, it'll probably work itself out. Sooner rather than later is your best bet.
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Moderator
 United States
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Great advice here. I have to believe that if both you and your grandfather hold the same passion for coins, and share that passion with each other while you still can, things will work out.
I know I would love nothing more than to will my collection to an heir who will care for it as I have.
I also know that I treasure all the time I spent with my grandfather, even more so now he is gone and that time no longer accumulates.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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i agree with jgfindring. if any of my children or grandchildren came to me and had an interest in coins, I would leave them the collection if I did not need the funds.
i recently sold part of my collection as no one expressed an interest over the years. if grandpap was a collector and not just put them away because they were old, I'm betting he would feel the same way.
this is one thing that all collectors struggle with as they get on in years. Do I sell it or pass it on. most would sell it if no one stepped up with interest
if it was me I would sit down with grandpap and say that you were going through some of the coins he gave you over the years and that you appreciated the ones he gave you and that you graded them and put them in holders or a album or whatever (this will let him know you will take care of them). I would tell that if he has time you would love to spend some time with him going over his collection and talking how and why he collected them.
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