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Bedrock of the Community
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Nice spike head!  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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But to me it is just a die chip and die crack. (Die events)
Edited by coop
12/31/2021 3:34 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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Congrats! It's an error and sought after by some collectors. Check ebay for spike head listings. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I will answer for educational purpose: @gsp193 = The site for the Cuds it is a good reference. The Cud 's could happened in any part for all the years. due to the fact it is the DIE category, could have a bigger or small population which it is relative with the time when the die was change. @mb560600 = you mention the word ERROR which in this case is false. Error are only in the category of 1. planchet and 2. striking Cud and die chip are in the category of Die varieties. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Silviosi, Happy New Year! However, I respectfully disagree with your assertion that this spike head die crack is not an error. It is, in fact, a "die error."
Cuds-on Coins specifically includes spike heads as a "die error" category.
And Errors and Varieties also refers to die cracks as an "error." On varietyerrors.com, the authors state, "Errors can be the result of defective planchets, defective dies or the result of mistakes made during the striking." That would include spike head die cracks.
Also, some errors can occur on numerous coins, thus being classified as a variety. However, the coins are still "errors" by definition.
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Pillar of the Community
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Nice open topic MB560600. I thing you go by folks thinking's. Errors like I say before are those which happening sporadic, isolate due to different factors. Those are Planchet and Striking. the varieties by definition are those due to the die and those has a big number of repetitions. You go by the word error which it is more and more most valuable for those who want fast big money. I am sorry I do not stand for those from Etsy or ebay who behind the words want to abuse theirs customs. |
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Silviosi, my point was simply that spike heads ARE ERROR coins. Cuds on Coins provides a significant part of it's website documenting such errors. Your efforts at educating folks about spike heads--which are a popular collectible-- was misleading and inaccurate. Whether spike heads are worth a premium, large or small, is a whole different topic. I collect them but I am not one looking to sell them for "fast big money." Obviously some collectors may be willing to pay a premium---especially for one in mint state condition. Why criticize anyone who buys them...or sells them? That's just a part of the hobby, isn't it? IMHO. |
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You misunderstand me. I say the Cud and spike are not errors but variety. POINT. Then I specified that many for purpose of gain post like at error.. SPIKE HEADS are not errors by numismatic agreed term. Those go in the category of DIE which are variety. POINT. |
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Silviosi, I have supplied authoritative sources for the correct view that spike heads are considered errors. Specifically, Errors and Varieties, and Cuds on Coins; both are of the view that they are errors. What authoritative source are you relying on for saying that spike heads are not errors? |
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Pillar of the Community
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 They have always been called errors. So they are errors. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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MB? You can give us here the subcategories of errors and varieties? I will give with no problem. "MB" to who you give authorities advice I have no IDEA. It is good for you and hope successfully. The thing it is that the terminology I say it is agree by anyone.
PS. You want to stay against Malone, Dimond and Weinberg? Tell me more about your expertise, I will employ you.
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01/02/2022 01:34 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Spike Heads (Die Cracks) are errors. They are fluid and constantly changing during the stamping process. A variety remains constant.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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They are die events, not a die variety. A variety has the issue from coin number 1. Die events happen as the die ages.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks everyone for all the comments, they are very imformative and I appreciate it.
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Valued Member
United States
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Just to be clear, die events are unintended; they are not supposed to happen. That's why they are known as ERRORS.
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