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Pillar of the Community
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be years before charlie gets the throne.... if he gets it
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Thing is, I don't think he will. He's far from being a popular member of the Royal Family. He's a little bit eccentric, and I think he lost major face after divorcing Diana, who is still idolized by many.
In fact, Diana's death was a galvanizing event for all of them. The Queen herself lost a lot of popularity points by how she handled the situation.
If Charlie is smart, he will allow the line of succession to bypass him and go directly to the kid. The presence of Camilla is still a sore point with many.
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Thing is, I don't think he will. He's far from being a popular member of the Royal Family. He's a little bit eccentric, and I think he lost major face after divorcing Diana, who is still idolized by many... If Charlie is smart, he will allow the line of succession to bypass him and go directly to the kid. The presence of Camilla is still a sore point with many. The royal succession is not a matter of popularity, or "doing what's best for the country", or even having the ability to lead. By English law, it's simple male-preferred primogeniture. If the Queen (may she live forever) were to die tomorrow, Charles would become king. The only way for Charles to not become the next king would be if he (a) dies first, or (b) abdicates, like his grand-uncle Edward VIII did. Canada is, of course, a separate country from Britain; you just happen to share a monarch right now. You guys are free to write whatever succession laws you please. But frankly, I don't think dislike for Charles is sufficiently high for your government to go to the extreme of rewriting the law regarding the selection of your head of state. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Not at all -- there is no question of rewriting succession laws or anything of the sort.
Yes, he will become King, technically on the death of the Queen. I doubt, though, that he would rule, instead abdicating in favour of Prince William, and definitely "for the good of the country".
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G'day,
there was a similar thread about a year ago.
Whilst Her Majesty is Head of State in relation to several nations, it does not automatically follow that the laws of succession are the same in each country.
The Australian Constitution prohibits discrimination based on religion, whereas British law requires the Sovereign to be a communicating member of a particular Church.
So, were Charles to significantly alter ghis religious adherence, he could not become King of the U.K., but this would not prevent him becoming King of Australia.
Also, Australia has legislation prohibiting discrimination on the basis of gender. This could have a bearing if Charles' line terminates. The accepted theory is the Andrew's line succeeds next; then Edward's; then Anne's. But if we are to be non-sexist, Anne would be advanced two places.
Curiously, during the WHITLAM era, two Australian states legislated to preserve their relationship with the Queen, intending to circumvent the Federal government becoming a republic. One view is that those laws were always invalid, and I wonder if, in any event, they have been repealed Labor governments in the years since then.
I think that the current reality in Australia is that these points are all moot, and no-one is currently seriously attempting to re-open the debate.
Peter in Darwin
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ok the queen is on UK ,Canada ,Australia,and Brumuda what countries am I forgeting?
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01/26/2009 8:30 pm
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quote: "... what countries am I forgeting?"
- from Wikipedia:
"Elizabeth became Queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon (now Sri Lanka) upon the death of her father, George VI, on 6 February 1952. As other colonies of the British Empire attained independence from the UK during her reign, she acceded to the newly created thrones as queen of each respective realm, so that, throughout her 56 years on the throne, she has been the sovereign of 32 individual nations, half of which, after varying periods of time, subsequently became republics. She is currently the only monarch of more than one independent state. ...
"Elizabeth II (Elizabeth Alexandra Mary; born 21 April 1926) is the queen regnant of sixteen independent states and their overseas territories and dependencies. Though she holds each crown and title separately and equally, and carries out duties in and on behalf of the other states of which she is monarch ...
"In addition to the United Kingdom, Elizabeth II is also Queen of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Belize, Antigua and Barbuda, and Saint Kitts and Nevis, in each of which she is represented by a Governor-General. The 16 countries of which she is Queen are known informally and unofficially as Commonwealth realms; their combined population, including dependencies, is over 129 million, and their total land area makes Elizabeth one of only a few monarchs to reign over parts of every continent on earth. In theory her powers are vast; however, in practice, and in accordance with convention, she rarely intervenes in political matters."
Peter in Oz
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Queen Elizabeth II currently appears regularly on the obverse of the coinage of the following countries and entities:
Independent self-governing monarchies
Great Britain
Australia
Canada
New Zealand
Solomon Islands
Tuvalu
Monetary Unions
East Caribbean States (which includes several independent monarchies and several colonies, each of which are too small to issue their own individual coinages)
Crown Dependencies with their own coinage:
Alderney*
Guernsey
Isle of Man
Jersey
Overseas Territories
Bermuda
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Falkland Islands
Gibraltar
Pitcairn Island*
Turks & Caicos Islands
Saint Helena and Ascension Islands
South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands*
Dependencies of New Zealand:
Cook Islands
Tokelau*
Independent Republics:
Fiji
Countries marked with a * have only issued non-circulating commemorative coinage, and use the coinage of other countries in everyday business.
She has also made occasional appearances on the coinage of other countries of which she is queen, but where she does not normally appear on the coinage. There are also plenty of former colonies, territories and monetary unions which once used to portray her on their coinages, but no longer do so.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Plus some others that are not regular coinage such as Gough Island, Nightingale Island and then there are the members of the East Caribbean States that have issued commems...etc
If you are collecting different portraits and/or crowns you would have to look at issues since 1953 which would include more than just those that currently issue as well.
Let's just say, she gets about a bit!
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WOW!! think I may have taken a big bite but I got the time now I just need the money :)
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Valued Member
Australia
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Elizabeth II has also appeared on the 1977 10 Kina silver proof coin of Papua New Guinea to commemorate her Silver Jubilee of Accession 1952-1977. I think this is the only time she has graced the obverse of a PNG coin even though she is Queen of Papua New Guinea.
Wayne (now back on the Forum after a computer crash)
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02/25/2009 04:58 am
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Nobody in the house of Windsor is perfect.
1) Charles has had indiscretions with Camilla when he was married to Diana.
2) Prince William got into a lot of trouble when he wore a Nazi costume to party.
3) Prince Harry was also involved in controversy when he was overheard making disparaging remarks about Arabs.
In all fairness, all three individuals are involved in many philanthropic causes like Diana was.
In the end, ascension to throne has nothing to do with popularity or their conduct, but simply by rules of succession.
Prince Charles is the next in line for the throne followed by William and then by Harry.
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Harry was the bad boy in Nazi gear at a party.
Charles will be King unless he dies before the Queen, or becomes a Catholic.
What I find interesting about the Queen's images on coins is the variety even within a particular design. For instance, the modified designs of Arnold Machin's original or the head verses head and shoulder designs by Raphael Maklouf or Ian Rank-Broadley and the unique designs from Canada and Australia (2000 50c).
There are already some interesting designs for Charles on coins dating from 1980 (Fiji) to his 60th birthday image on UK 5 pound in 2008.
Australia even has coins with the images of the Princesses Margaret, Anne and Diana. Camilla is already on coins of at least two countries. Then we have issues with the Princes Phillip, Andrew, Edward, William and Henry (Harry) as well as the Duchess of York (Sarah) and Countess of Wessex (Sophie). All make for great collecting.
The line of Succession is not only by descent but is also by statutes of the Parliament. It is currently after the Queen:
1. The Prince of Wales
2. Prince William of Wales
3. Prince Henry of Wales
4. The Duke of York
5. Princess Beatrice of York
6. Princess Eugenie of York
7. The Earl of Wessex
8. Viscount Severn
9. The Lady Louise Windsor
10. The Princess Royal
11. Mr. Peter Phillips
12. Miss Zara Phillips
13. Viscount Linley
14. The Hon. Charles Armstrong-Jones
15. The Hon. Margarita Armstrong-Jones
16. The Lady Sarah Chatto
17. Master Samuel Chatto
18. Master Arthur Chatto
19. The Duke of Gloucester
20. Earl of Ulster
21. Lord Culloden
22. The Lady Davina Lewis
23. The Lady Rose Windsor
24. The Duke of Kent
25. The Lady Amelia Windsor
26. The Lady Helen Taylor
27. Master Columbus Taylor
28. Master Cassius Taylor
29. Miss Eloise Taylor
30. Miss Estella Taylor
31. The Lord Frederick Windsor
32. The Lady Gabriella Windsor
33. Princess Alexandra, the Hon. Lady Ogilvy
34. Mr. James Ogilvy
35. Master Alexander Ogilvy
36. Miss Flora Ogilvy
37. Miss Marina Ogilvy
38. Master Christian Mowatt
39. Miss Zenouska Mowatt
40. The Earl of Harewood
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