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Thank you for replying coop. I do not believe this to be a striking issue. I believe this is an ejection issue as I described in my opening comments. If one was to only look at my pictures sure, it looks like a damaged coin.... PMD. I am not ready to write this one off as PMD to be totally honest and upfront. More importantly, I mean NO disrespect whatsoever in saying that. There has to be an explanation as to how this occurred, in my opinion, immediately during, after or very close thereabouts at the time of ejection of this coin from the striking chamber. Two observations here please. For simplification sake, I am going to call the detached, yet still attached, piece of metal a "wire". Let's please look at the wire and observe its location in relation to the valleys on the rim. This piece of wire is before (or after depending from which direction you are looking) the indents on top of the rim. The wire is simply not in the way, and was never in the way, of where the indentations are atop the rim. This should rule out, "The peel away of the cladding was caused by the damage". The indents into the rim of the coin are the exact same, dimensionally and proportionally speaking, to the wideness of each individual and adjacent letters of PICTU. We can also see that the very small gutter/crevice separating PICTU from the rim of the coin is not damaged in the very least at all. Had pressure been applied downward motion, in which to create the indents on the rim, it would have most assuredly had closed together this small separating groove. Secondly, there is not any apparent material buildup from where material was displaced from the indents atop the rim. If this was PMD, and and a foreign object displaced metal here, we would see extra material displaced somewhere but we don't. This is not an easy one but yet an easy one to write off as PMD.. There are certain variables, characteristics and physics involved here that just do not add up to this being a run of the mill PMD coin. I would politely ask for a re-evaluation coop now that you see I am not saying this is a striking error but some type of damage caused immediately after the strike and before being completely removed from the chamber and collar. Thanks. |
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Thank you Tanman. I am a bit intrigued with this coin and how the minting process created what we are seeing on the rim of this Quarter. I have personally ruled out PMD. |
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I was asked to contribute to this discussion. I've written about other quarters with this effect. My analysis indicated that this is a form of ejection impact doubling. This form of doubling occurs when a newly-struck coin is thrust or propelled into the face of the retreating hammer die, which in this case was the reverse die. Here, the protruding letters on the die face carved channels into the design rim. Other cases of EID on ATB Quarters leave behind faint, drastically offset incuse letters that overlap or are entirely separate from the corresponding normal incuse letters. As to whether you want to consider this a mint error, well that's a personal choice. For me, any contact between coin and die after the strike still qualifies as a mint error. In fact, in my opinion, any mishap that occurs within the striking chamber in the immediate aftermath of a strike, and that can be distinguished from damage that can occur outside the press, should be considered a mint error. Whether you consider this an error or simply "damage", I think examples of EID are eminently collectable. Error coin writer and researcher.
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Hello Mike Diamond. Thank you very much for your explanation on this coin sir. You have put my mind at rest with your explanation here. I simply could not let this one go as being just another damaged circulated coin and something that occurred after it left the striking chamber or the mint facility itself. There is just too much evidence here to dictate otherwise. It is my belief as well that anything occurring inside of the striking chamber, regardless of the exact timing of when it happened inside of the chamber and before the coin leaves the chamber, is a true mint error. Thank you for your input, it is much appreciated!
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First off, Welcome back Bumpkin! I sure missed you posting here my friend. Second: I think that you carved those dents into the rim with a file in order to get attention for being gone for so long...  OK J/K... I think that Mike described this quite well. Certainly something I have not seen before. So now I have added to my coin education here. (I'm just wondering what information I just lost trying to fit in this new stuff....  ) |
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Dearborn, SHHHH!!!! Good grief man.... I was trying to keep that a secret but you just blew my cover!! Now everyone can create this same thing.... hahaha.  Thanks for the welcome back my friend, I appreciate that. This was no doubt a different kind of error that anyone would have simply taken one look at and probably culled it. It is actually a friend's coin that asked me about it. Several others had passed it off as PMD as well. After I got to looking at it, I was pretty convinced it was not PMD. I can't thank Mike Diamond enough for chiming in and confirming my suspicions for me. I hope you and my other friends and acquaintances here are doing well. I'm hanging in there best I can these days. Thanks for your comment!  Edited by Bumpkin
02/09/2022 9:48 pm
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Always happy to help.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Just trying to help you out there.  |
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Very nice find and attention to detail, Bumpkin! I feel that I would have quickly wrote this off as PMD and moved on. -makecents-
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Edited by coop
02/10/2022 12:44 pm
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Awesome find Bumpkin! I would not have had a clue (and still clueless LOL) and am going to research this and try to learn something! Glad your back brother!
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Thank you all for your kind comments and replies. I truly appreciate it! I simply urge everyone to thoroughly examine all of their coins, in great detail, to avoid throwing something like this away which ultimately turned out to be a definite keeper. Had I not seen this one as up-close and as clear as I did, I would have probably dismissed it as PMD. And just for the record, this is not my coin. A very good friend asked me to look at it for her and thankfully so. Thanks again everyone. |
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