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How To Tell 1967 50% Versus 80% Silver Coins Apart ?

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 Posted 02/06/2009  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IBGolden to your friends list
I swear the 80% stuff has a higher, longer lasting ring sound when droppped on a hard surface... when compared to 50%.


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Compare a known 80% from pre-67 with a known 50% from 1968, and repeat over and over until/if you hear a difference.
bibd


I really suggest trying this if you want to sort purities. If you have junk silver, the 80% stuff is usually more tarnished, but I would not consider this conclusive proof.

After you get your 80% sorted out, you may hafta convince a buyer it is 80%. It may be only you that has the knowledge, and anyone else just 65%s it.



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Well, I can hear the difference between sterling and .900... wd1040


That's a difference of .025 between .900 and .925(sterling). That is truly amazing!
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 Posted 02/06/2009  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
Well, I'm listening to a 50c Canadian half from the 1910s and a 63 Franklin. I just found out they're different sizes! Maybe that's why I can hear them.

Anyways, I got a lynx quarter and a old style George quarter and struck them. The lynx one is much lower in pitch, and the George sterling quarter sounds like a flat note... maybe a B flat...
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 Posted 02/06/2009  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuickSilver to your friends list
Were the mintage figures for 50% and 80% approximately the same? If not the average %ge should be weighted accordingly.

(i.e. not necessarily 65%)
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02/06/2009 6:17 pm
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 Posted 02/06/2009  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuickSilver to your friends list
I am not saying the remainder is copper, I said "if" it is copper. I am not that familiar with Canadian coins to comment.

I believe only Silver has the density of Silver? But I could be wrong.
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 Posted 02/22/2009  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psi to your friends list
I've wondered about this too, what about using something like a coin comparator or metal detector to compare the electromagnetic properties of the coins?
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 Posted 02/22/2009  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FrostCross to your friends list
How about a compass?would there be any different shifts in a compass needle between the two types if they were passed around the compasses field?just wondering
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 Posted 03/25/2009  04:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list
When I was in school, back in 1967 and 1968, I ws sure that I could tell the .800 and .500 silver coins apart by their rings- the .800 was higher and cleaner. Now, I would not swear that I was correctin my separations, but that was a common way of telling counterfeits from genuine coins in China, for example. The silver coins had a ring, the counterfeits (lead) went thud. People were employed by the money changers to do nothing but test the coins by sound. The colour of the new coins was slightly different, as I recall. I am not sure that I could use either to differentiate them now, although I am a musician.
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 Posted 03/25/2009  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psi to your friends list
I was trying the "ring test" just now with some quarters and I think I can hear a higher ring with more sustain with the pre-67 stuff than with the 68 or 67 I tried. Oddly though the .925 quarters I had seemed to be duller sounding in general. The two least ringy ones (a '20 and a '34) also looked the least like silver. Is there much chance they could be counterfeit?
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 Posted 03/25/2009  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list
thats what I was going to say "try dropping it."
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 Posted 03/26/2009  04:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list
The normal counterfeits- made of lead - will thud- just a dull sound- when they are rung.
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 Posted 05/26/2023  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unruhjonny to your friends list
I am giving this older thread a bump instead of making an entirely new discission.

I went down rabbit hole yesterday, because I have a whole bunch of silver quarters, and it would be nice to know what 1967 quarter (or dime) is 80% vs 50% - for future reference.

This is a quote from earlier in this thread:


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If the weight of these coins truly is identical to three decimal places and the percentages of silver in them differ then the volume can not be the same.


I totally agree with that reply.

Different materials have specific weights, and if two objects are identical except for composition, you should be able to determine which is which from an accurate measuring of weight.

I also found the following earlier today while looking for a means of differentiating the two composition coins.


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1953 - 1967
Composition: 80%silver, 20% copper
Weight (g): 5.83

1967 - 1968
Composition: 50% silver, 50% copper
Weight (g): 5.05

(no link provided because apparently a url to that site is prohibited)

Can anyone confirm that the above quote is correct?

Those weights would of course assume a "zero wear" coin, but this should be of use because if the quarter is more than 5.05 grams, it should be the 80% silver version.
Correct?

If this all seems to be of sound logic, does anyone have weights of 80% vs 50% silver dimes?

Thanks!!
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05/26/2023 2:01 pm
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 Posted 05/26/2023  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jess1234 to your friends list
I too was wondering the same thing, but unfortunately, I hear no difference.
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 Posted 05/26/2023  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BCTokens to your friends list
Hi,

The quote is not correct.

According to the Charleton Catalogue, the weight of the 1968 nickel quarters is 5.07 grams. Both the 80% and the 50% sliver quarters are supposed to weigjh 5.83 grams.

Jan
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 Posted 05/26/2023  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cdncoins to your friends list
I weighed three 1967 quarters. They came to 5.79g, 5.85g and 5.90g. They are all from the same roll. Don't ask me if they are 50% or 80% silver.

Shouldn't you be able to tell using XRF? These machines are much more common now than when this topic started 14 years ago.
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 Posted 05/26/2023  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list
That info is incorrect. All the silver ones weigh 5.83g, regardless of the alloy. The nickel coins weigh 5.07g. You cannot tell the difference using weight. Wear and normal planchet variation will swamp any trivial weight difference.

If you try to sell them, no one will give you credit for the coins you say are 80% silver. If you melt them, you will get the value of what silver you have from the melt company. So I would not bother trying to figure out the difference unless you plan to buy large quantities, sort and melt the 80% coins and sell the 50% coins as is.
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