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 Posted 06/23/2022  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Some will insert coins into holes in old (but somewhat fresh/not worn out) Whitman folders and place them on a high shelf in close proximity to a water heater. Leave them there for a year or two, then voila...
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 Posted 06/23/2022  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
Old time collectors of silver coins used to dust the folders with sulfur to achieve toning over time. Almost anything containing sulfur will tone a coin. Onions contain sulfur as does a hard boiled egg. If you want to experiment, try taking a bullion silver eagle, place it in a covered container with a fresh hot hard boiled egg that has been chopped up and watch the pretty tones that appear. Sometimes however the sulfur will do nothing more than darken or blacken the surfaces.
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 Posted 06/23/2022  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
If a hard boiled egg has sulfer in it, wouldn't a raw one have it too. why not just dip the coins in beat up egg goo?
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 Posted 06/23/2022  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list
Quickly achieved toning isn't necessarily stable. It will look nice for a little while, but you may not be able to predict what the terminal stage will be. That's one reason why people want to know if toning is natural or "artificial". Some of these "monster toned" coins that people are going crazy over these days will end up being just monsters in a few years I'm afraid.
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 Posted 06/23/2022  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpeedDemonND to your friends list
I never understood why people like toning so much. Then again, that's the beauty of this hobby. We all like and collect different things, and there is no right or wrong way to do it. Still, the appeal escapes me. I personally find it distracting.
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 Posted 06/23/2022  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list

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Some will insert coins into holes in old (but somewhat fresh/not worn out) Whitman folders and place them on a high shelf in close proximity to a water heater.

I can't imagine in a million years attractive whitman folder toning. I've seen many silver collections held in the old whitman folders, and they are usually splotchy dark brown and black toned.

Maybe some kind of velvet that the coin can be set on, then flipped over after a month or so?

Artificial toning achieved through the sulfer in eggs or something alike provides an unnatural rainbow toning that will most certainly prevent it from getting into a problem free holder.
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 Posted 06/23/2022  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
Retoning can take a shiny polished coin back to an aged appearance sometimes. Striking matches next to the coin face will give it a hit of soot and sulfur and darken it, expecially in creviced areas like the eagle feathers on a Walker. It doesn't fix the polish completely but it makes the coin show better.
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 Posted 06/24/2022  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list

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We all like and collect different things, and there is no right or wrong way to do it.


Well said.
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 Posted 06/24/2022  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
There are no secrets as you most likely already know the answer to natural toned coins. How and where are coins stored? Paper rolls, envelopes, canvas bags, paper flips, coin albums, wood cabinet, cigar box, jewelry box, etc. These type of storage areas often have a high sulfur content. For example, the Wayte Ramond albums are know for creating some nice rainbow toning. If you want to create toners, you need to place coins in common storage areas that are going to create results that you want. The TPG graders can identify toning patterns from common storage areas of coins. The late Eric P. Newman stored coins all over his house in albums, rolls, flips, cabinets, boxes, envelopes to see how different storage environment toned coins.



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 Posted 06/24/2022  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list
I understand that it's natural to want to sell your coins for more than you paid for them, and toning is one of those subjective
"additions" to the way a coin looks and can change its perceived value, but it's more of a question of being a true numismatist to me. My father was the reason I started collecting and he always said we should make sure a coin's condition is preserved for the future collectors that will end up with our coins long after we are gone.

Will you be telling your buyers that the coins you sell were "enhanced" by some process that changed the way they toned? What happens if they take them to a dealer or send them in to be certified and then find that they are not what they thought they were?

It should be the goal of a numismatist to preserve the coins we collect so they are as close to the condition we find them in as possible. Toning is something that happens. Once you introduce a substance or process into that equation, you will have a coin that is Artificially Toned. Most of the time it's easy to tell an AT coin from natural toning.

The Third-Party Grading companies should be able to tell artificial toning from natural toning in 99.99% of the cases. The coins that are questionable will be noted as just that, questionable toning or color.

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 Posted 06/24/2022  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cdngmt to your friends list
Along the lines of what Mister T said I've been told by dealer(s) that storing coins near a natural gas furnace creates toning ( for the same reason )
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Read up on the "paper napkin" Methode. I think it was Taco Bell napkins.
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 Posted 06/24/2022  05:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bugil46 to your friends list
I really like finding natural toned coins.
Will the above mentioned methods work on all metals?
I'm curious about Lincoln cents. Does it help with cleaned coins?
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 Posted 06/24/2022  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
On the matter of Whitman folders. I have two silver Mercury dime collections in beat-up Whitman folders put together long, long ago. The majority of these dimes show a subtle dark rainbow bullseye toning. I can't vouch for Whitman toning for every coin type, but I've seen it with dimes, and occasionally wheat cents.
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I never understood why people like toning so much. Then again, that's the beauty of this hobby. We all like and collect different things, and there is no right or wrong way to do it. Still, the appeal escapes me. I personally find it distracting.


You and I fully agree on all four of your points. However, as you know, we're in the minority. But I believe that minority is a lot larger than many people think. I know this, because when I bid in an auction on a fully lustrous blast white early 20th Century coin with a CAC that looks like it came off the press yesterday (just as the designer envisioned their coin would look), the bidding is often ferocious!

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