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Valued Member
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The strike is so weak, look at the hair over the ear.
Looking at the first pictures it could be mistaken as wear.
The second set of pictures for me makes it clear to my eyes that its not though.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If the luster is there is hand, MS-65
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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AU55 Panzaldi- Before the majority changes your mind, please elaborate as to how you came to this grade. the 98(O) almost always have above average strikes. based on the photos provided all the high points in the hair, on the cap, around the edges of the leaves, ear and wheat tips are missing luster. this is too much for just cabinet rub. on the reverse the wing tips are showing wear as well as legs and the luster is gone from the breast and the neck feathers have a small amount of wear. now all of these points are based on the photos provided but I can only assess on what I see. I still think the coin is a slider even with a clean cheek. if all the luster is there across all the devices I listed above i'll go MS64 |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'm still at MS-65. I've seen many 98-O's weakly struck like this one.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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On this one...I'm in at MS-64...but the obverse (left field?) maybe MS-63.
KK
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Panzaldi- There are tons of 98-O's with weak strikes, I've owned many.
I've noticed you typically mention average strike quality of every year and base your grade standard on that.
This is a fallacy.
Weak strikes can happen to any year (essentially) due to improper striking pressure or improperly aligned dies, or worn out dies.
Dismissing a coin from mint state because of a weak strike(you view as wear) is wrong I assure you.
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
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Edited by NumismaticsFTW
08/12/2022 6:19 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I personally find @panzaldi's grading comments most insightful.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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As someone who considers strike to be an important aspect when determining a coin's net grade, I'm with Panzaldi as well. TPG graders would likely disagree! Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Paralyze- Why did you remove your comment?
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I've noticed you typically mention average strike quality of every year and base your grade standard on that.
i dont base my grade on strike alone. some coins are just straight forward and really dont need explanation. in those situations where its not I almost always point out how I came to that grade looking at all of the grading components. strike being one of them. I agree that every year can have strike issues but if I see a see a nicely struck up coin that we normally see weak strikes on for me that adds a tick to the grade and vice versa since strike is one major component in grading. I want the OP to understand how I came to the grade I assigned. just by throwing a grade out there does not really help anyone. am I right all the time? oh jeez no and no one here is either. Quote:
Dismissing a coin from mint state because of a weak strike(you view as wear) is wrong I assure you. i don't do this. I look at the overall coin and in this case I stated why I thought the coin, based on the photos provided, that the coin had seen circulation. this was my opinion. I also stated, in this case, if the luster was intact across all the devices then the coin would be in the MS64 area. on weak struck coins that are MS I would expect to see that intact luster on those highest devices. on this coin we cant tell one way or the other so I made my best assessment based on what I saw |
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Pillar of the Community
 United Kingdom
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@Panzaldi, I personally look forward to your grade comments every time I post here, and I have done for years! You always explain in detail and I really appreciate that.
Grading coins from photos, and especially with weak strikes can prove difficult. Take for example my Russian 25 Kopeks, I knew I had a MS coin in hand, and most people on different forums had commented AU53 etc, and NGC sent it back MS64. It's usually weak strikes that throw people off, it's one of the first things I look for now so I know I'm not making a mistake with the grade, but even then I really struggle. I do struggle capturing lustre properly and I'm going to work on that. In this case, it's my photography that I'm sure threw a wobbler out there, I struggle capturing lustre, especially when it's not 100% gleaming like 1881-S etc. Because this coin has a weak strike, and my photography didn't show the lustre properly, it can easily be interpreted as AU.
Thanks for all the opinions as always! I'll be sure to reveal the grade when I receive it back from NGC.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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thanks TobyJ. grading by photos is not an accurate science. it takes looking at a lot of coins to try to determine what the actual coin may look like in hand. there are however some assumptions that can be made. I try to provide as much detail as I think is necessary for the OP to understand why I came to the grade I did. I've graded thousands of morgans over the years and still get it wrong.
i just want folks to understand that when grading you just cant use photograde or one specific coin marker to determine a grade. new collectors seem to fall into this trap.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I think MS64 possibly 65 if the lustre is present on the cheek. I see nothing else that would preclude an MS grade.
I have to ask if that's a radial die crack from the rim to O in DOLLAR in your image?
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Just took this close up of the section you mean and I can't see any die crack, probably just the lighting. Took a close up of the cheek whilst I was at it.   |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Everyone got it pretty much, good graders here.  |
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