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Caracalla Denarius - Authentic Or Fake?

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 Posted 10/30/2022  07:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
@prs, any chance of you adding a couple pictures of the edge? It would be nice to check for a parting line. Thx.
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 Posted 10/30/2022  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add prsferreira to your friends list
Dear Colleagues,
Thank you for your comments. Below border images. Maybe bring some information. Thanks!

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 Posted 10/30/2022  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Edge shots are wicked hard to do because of the curvature meaning only a small portion is in focus. Thx for posting these.

I'm not seeing an obvious parting line though. Perhaps the edge was ground down and then distressed to simulate wear?
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 Posted 10/30/2022  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list
It looks like two halves to me? It's not easy to see if it is or isn't from photos. There's a line running roughly down the edge, which if so, seems to have been filed to try to hide it. On the left of the bottom photo, it looks like there's a gap. I don't think you'd get a hollow like that on the edge of a hammered coin.
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 Posted 10/30/2022  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add prsferreira to your friends list
Colleagues,
I added other images of the border. Thank you very much for the thoughtful comments.


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 Posted 10/30/2022  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
'Pasty' surfaces, and mushy details, especially the reverse.
Could be silver plated, so XRF test may be of doubtful value.
I don't know it's a fake, but I share the OP's suspicions.
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 Posted 10/30/2022  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list
What is going on here?
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 Posted 10/30/2022  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add prsferreira to your friends list
Dear colleagues,
I got better pictures..
What do you think?
Thanks!

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 Posted 10/30/2022  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list
Looks cast to me....But then we're just working from photos.
The op has the coin in hand and has doubts so I just wouldn't have this in my collection....It isn't a rare coin and decent examples can be had for well under $80...

Interested how much the op paid and from where?..Can you get your money back?...I would...

Did you buy from a reputable dealer and if so could you post the photos that drew you to this coin?
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 Posted 10/30/2022  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add iulius to your friends list
According to wildwinds, it is ,,Caracalla, AE Limes denarius. Military mint.", it must be silver plated, that's why it looks like that. Just like this one

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 Posted 10/30/2022  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add MetDet71 to your friends list
Not to be too forward, but this looks like an obvious cast fake to me, no need to see the edge of the coin really.
It does seem to have age to it but a copy it still remains.
Only my opinion but as a collector of roman coins, I would throw that in the trash.
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 Posted 10/30/2022  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I would never throw a fake or suspected fake ancient coin to trash.
It would become part of my 'black' collection, for my, and other collector's education, to be more able to identify fake coins.
My 'black' collection currently numbers about 100 pieces, a few very deceiving.
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 Posted 10/31/2022  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add the_sand to your friends list
As julius mentioned, it could be a Limes denarius, and some Limes denarii were cast. Many (all?) Limes denarii were made of bronze, but, as julius said, perhaps some Limes denarii were silver plated. However, I'm not an expert on Limes denarii.
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 Posted 10/31/2022  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add the_sand to your friends list

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I would never throw a fake or suspected fake ancient coin to trash.
It would become part of my 'black' collection, for my, and other collector's education, to be more able to identify fake coins.
My 'black' collection currently numbers about 100 pieces, a few very deceiving.

I agree. I have my own black cabinet of ancient and medieval fakes and probable fakes, which I have bought over the years, initially thinking that the coins were authentic, only later to discover that the coins were fake or probably fake.
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 Posted 10/31/2022  10:17 am  Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add MetDet71 to your friends list

Quote:
It would become part of my 'black' collection


That's a good idea actually. Never crossed my mind to save the copies (and I have had a few).
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