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 United States
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Lovely key date, we don't see many examples in this state. I'm in at MS62-MS64 range so I'll settle at MS63. Thanks for sharing it with us.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36770 Posts |
MS-62FB would be my guess.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1094 Posts |
I'm at MS64FB. Nice merc.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
11894 Posts |
I considered buying this coin as I am currently looking for a gem 16-D with full bands but felt this one was overgraded. PCGS gave it MS65FB and sold for $47,200. I can live with an overgraded coin as long as it is priced correctly in my head, but this one wasn't. I can even live with an overgraded coin if it has outstanding eye appeal but this one did not have that.
The first issue is that this coin is weakly struck in liberty's hair, particularly to the right of the eye. It is also weakly struck in the corresponding area on the other side of the coin, by the lower diagonal band in the fascis.
The coin has very few marks but is bright white with many small oxidation spots throughout the obverse, giving it a dingy look. The axe head atop the fascis also looks dinged in several places.
The top and bottom sets of bands around the fascis look mushy. Although sharpness in those areas is not a requirement for full bands designation, I would prefer a sharper strike in all of the focal areas on this small coin.
To me it is not a particularly premium coin and certainly not gem in my book, so I decided to pass and keep looking. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this coin and glad that we were roughly on the same page on this one. As to my grade, I think it is MS63FB and not a premium coin within the grade, mainly due to the strike weakness.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
Luster has been scuffed (wear), on the high points, more noticeable on the obverse Lack of design detail at these locations. leading edge of wing, and hair in front of Lib's ear.
AU-58, not FSB.
I agree, not a gem coin, it has some strike weakness.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2281 Posts |
I don't think it is a gem either. But to be fair, a coin can be graded a gem and have a weak strike, so I see no issue there. This isn't an AU coin, the center bands being completely split are proof of that. Maybe this coin is proof the TPG's give key Dates a little leeway? You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
Edited by NumismaticsFTW
11/08/2022 12:41 am
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
18670 Posts |
i agree. this coin is not 65. at those prices you would expect a much cleaner example. I would not grade the coin FB however PCGS only looks at the center band and this one is. when I personally look for FB I look for all three but thats just me.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4680 Posts |
Playing devils advocate: we are just seeing one angle of the coin through photos. Lighting and shadows may cause that subdued luster at the high points to look worse than they are. Fields are clean, free of any major marks. Basing off fields alone, MS65 isn't too far off. HOWEVER , I agree with NS, spots are a detractor, and I personally can't look past the subdued/breaks in luster at the high points (based on these images), so I'll stick by my MS63. I also go by all 3 sets of bands being split, so no FB in my book. Quote:
This isn't an AU coin, the center bands being completely split are proof of that. The FS designation can still be attributed to coins in AU, typically uncommon in lower AU due to wear, but totally reasonable in AU55-58. Quote:Maybe this coin is proof the TPG's give key Dates a little leeway? Agreed, we've seen it plenty of times before! |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36770 Posts |
It would take a lot of wishing for me to see this one at 65FB.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4692 Posts |
Probably submitted to CAC and did not get the bean. Just an educated guess.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2281 Posts |
I didn't word it how I was thinking it.
Comparing this fsb coin with au fsb coins is night and day difference.
There is zero wear and zero flattening.
This coin is super rounded on both sides.
The au fsb coins I've seen, you can visibly see the wear, there is a flatness on both sides.
It is very evident the coin is au, but they technically see a line down the middle to attribute it fsb.
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts |
Grading a coin the size of a fingernail from images the size of a dinner plate is always a problem.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1775 Posts |
I was way off on this one. I thought with the solid middle band the lower fascis would be fully struck. Apparently what I took as wear was a soft strike.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5832 Posts |
Weaker strike appearance and rubs on the reverse lower diagonal and horizontal band make this one a MS-62FB at best.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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