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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would personally get these all graded due to the large number of fakes out there as mentioned above. Main reason is everybody will know then whether or not they are genuine, and can help greatly with future sales, etc.  |
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Australia
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They are the more common side of Chinese silver crowns. Price of 100 - 150 each is reasonable. I don't see any scarce varieties.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Thank you for all the replies so far. Just to answer a couple of questions, these are not magnetic. Also, they all weigh between 26.6 grams and 26.7 grams. These are from an old estate from the 1940's, I believe.
Regardless, I'm seriously considering getting these graded/authenticated, even if just to have peace of mind.
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Pillar of the Community
Singapore
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Visually in my opinion they look right but who knows what the graders might think.
And I believe the cost of grading these type of China coins have gone up tremendously.
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Valued Member
Romania
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Hello,all of you! I am so sorry for some of the previous replies/opinions but... no way to grade these coins as XF! The scarcer ''junk''(boat) dollar,may be a max.VF35 and the common ''fat man'' dollar a max.VF20 or F15. Also,values of 300$?!? Perhaps only for the ''junk'' dollar if it was in AU or even MS (uncirculated) condition.The ''fat man'' cannot reach this amount even in MS! In the condition they are,these coins' prices are excesive even at 100-150$...  I may say more realistic prices of 60-75usd. for the ''fat man'' and 100-125usd for the ''junk''dollar. Here are KM ''World Coins'' values,which are less than the above I gave you.   Andi  Edited by Andi10
01/31/2023 12:26 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks like they've been harshly cleaned. These coins sell for a big premium in California. I've bought wiped ones in the past for a minimum of 80 dollars at the LCS, but now they're selling for several times that amount. If the provenance is 1940s old collection they should be good. Main drawback is the hairlines, but it seems to me like people are willing to buy these in any condition for relatively high prices.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Krause prices are too undervalued for Chinese coins.
If I can buy them at those prices, I'll be making a fortune...
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Valued Member
United States
397 Posts |
Thank you for all the replies. Just another quick question: Since the forum thinks these are cleaned, would it make sense to send these to NCS to get properly restored, and then have them graded by NGC?
For those who may not be familiar, NCS (Numismatic Conservation Services) is owned by NGC. They restore coins, which are then passed along to NGC for grading, so that they don't come back as cleaned.
Cheers!
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Pillar of the Community
Singapore
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Don't think you can restore them at NCS, NCS can't unclean coins I think.
You can try re-toning them yourself, haven't tried it with my coins but have heard other collectors doing it. Might have other threads discussing re-toning in depth.
Recently I sent in a YSK Dollar for grading, it had gorgeous toning and patina, NCS 'conserved' it now it looks all bright and shiny but with no character and the toning removed, kinda regret allowing them to do that. Shouldn't they know better?
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02/08/2023 12:40 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
878 Posts |
The grading process might help sell them since buyers will be clearer on their authenticity, but they will label them as cleaned no matter what happens since restoration removes impurities but there's no way to restore the original surfaces.
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Valued Member
United States
397 Posts |
My understanding is that in some cases, NCS chooses to restore the coin to its original "shininess," which from a numismatic perspective, is actually probably not a good thing. But, it would likely remove all traces of a previous cleaning, which would allow them to assign a grade.
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Valued Member
Romania
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Hi! Please,are you sure NGC restores (?) coins? As to show not cleaned?! Is this possible?! I didn't know such things! I just knew that NGC doesn't grade cleaned coins! They just say,for ex.: ''XF details.Cleaned.'' No proper grade,only DETAILS. Thanks! Andi |
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Valued Member
United States
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@Andi10 Not NGC, per se, but NCS, which is a subsidiary of NGC. To me, this NCS/NGC operation is very suspect, basically a backdoor for people to pay more to get a higher grade on their coins. But if the numismatic community lets them get away with it, that's a very good way for them to make some extra money. I wouldn't believe for a second that NGC doesn't give special treatment to coins restored by NCS. But, that's how the world works. It's all about making a buck.
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Pillar of the Community
Singapore
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I get that people have to make a buck AllSeasons but at least make the process more transparent
rather than vague and evasive when customers ask them (NGC/PCGS)
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Valued Member
United States
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