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(Allseasons) I agree with you completely ,the big problem is what is happening in the U.S. is happening in other counties around the world . Unfortunately they are all following the same formula.
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United States
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AllSeasons, in order to test your theory about DXY vs gold price I used MacroTrends values for the first week of January from 2006 to 2023, then ran linear correlations. R-squared for DXY vs gold price is 0.12. There is no significant correlation. Looking at the scatter plot bears this out. It's visually random. DXY is not predictive of gold price over a long period of time.
The correlation between year and gold price is much better, with R-squared of 0.64. The scatter plot shows a clear upward trend. I ran out the linear regression for the year vs price results and got a very useful number. The slope is +$59/oz per year, plus or minus $11/oz. While past performance is no predictor of future results, it does put a number on the "store of value" effect I've seen with precious metals for the last 30 years. It's also quite linear in appearance on the scatter plot, indicating that the % appreciation per year is dropping. In 2006 it was 10% a year (gold at $600), and now it's 3% a year (gold at $1800). That's not a good thing in our current high inflation period. Gold is not storing value as well as it did 18 years ago.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 02/27/2023 4:35 pm
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@thq Wow, you've actually done the correlations, which is pretty cool. Just to clarify, did you take the first week of every year from 2006 to 2023, and did a linear correlation with the price of gold in the same week of each year, for a total of 8 data points? If so, I would probably do that a little differently, because to me, there was a clear correlation between DXY and gold/silver price over the last year or so. I would take the daily DXY and silver/gold price for each of the last 365 days, and then do a linear correlation on that larger data set. I suspect a much stronger correlation based on that.
Edited by AllSeasons 02/27/2023 5:34 pm
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18 sets of values. It would be better to use every week, but I was in a hurry. I just wanted to get a general idea. In a multiple correlation DXY might contribute a little, but I wouldn't expect an effect greater than $5 per year.
It's easy to find separate trendlines of DXY and gold against time but I couldn't find them correlated against each other. In the short term it could be more significant in explaining price gyrations. Over a period of years DXY fluctuates wildly.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 02/27/2023 6:51 pm
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United States
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hfjacinto.... What is your opinion on buying the $SLV to have exposure to silver? I know you understand what the SLV is but for those that do not, the SLV is the silver tracking stock/etf, which nearly mirrors the price per ounce 1:1, so 1 share would essentially be 1 ounce of silver. Considering the SLV is $19.27 pps, it is well under the $20 spot price the OP suggested he would buy physical.... would the current price of the SLV not be a good entry point? If not.... when might be a better pps to buy in? Thanks.
BTW, from a technical perspective.... it appears the slv is bouncing off the $19 support level in the post I mentioned the other day. Should have bought the $20.50 March 24th expiration Calls I was looking at, B/A = .05 x .06, today they're .14 x .15., oh well.
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United States
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My take on anything that you don't take physical ownership of the metals is concerning. Good luck in getting actual silver with a SLV. When you say SLV do you mean EFT Exchange Traded Fund? I googled it. You mean shares in a silver trust. It's down 12% from a year ago. But like I posted above good luck getting actual silver from the fund.
Edited by hfjacinto 02/28/2023 1:40 pm
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United States
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From the financials I've seen GLD does actually hold the gold, but there's no ability to take physical delivery unless your holdings exceed ca $1 million. As such it becomes an index play for most investors and not a store of value.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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United States
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Yes, the SLV silver etf. Why would it be concerning? Its not like the SLV is the equivalent of the abundant manipulated Pink Sheet scam stocks people can throw their money away in.
Obviously, the SLV is just an investment vehicle & an investor has zero ownership of physical, similarly to that of a silver certificate currency. IMO, a silver paper-trade would be more convenient in almost every aspect.... 1) You can get a better price, 2) the time it takes to buy online and receive bars, bullion, culls, rounds, etc., or drive to your local LCS and do the same, 3) weight of physical, 4) and when you're ready to cash in, the time it would take to resell physical.
Utilizing an online investment account, it takes seconds to open/close a position buy hitting buy/sell.
Edited by coin rejector 02/28/2023 1:58 pm
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United States
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Like I posted before I don't consider silver or gold an investment and I'm not buying paper for silver and gold. I would rather a stash. 
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 United States
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If I may jump in here, my opinion is that SLV and physical satisfy different needs and different purposes. I don't think SLV is intended for stacking purposes, because as someone said, it's not physical - if you can't hold it in your hand, you don't own it. In my opinion, SLV is purely for speculative investment purposes, for those who seek gains in the short to medium term. This is very different from stacking physical silver, whose purpose is not so much for investment, but for wealth preservation and dare I say, doomsday prepping. I don't think there's anything wrong with either, if that's your thing, but just make sure that you choose the right vehicle for your purpose. I just wanted to make that distinction clear, or at least, that's how I think about the two.
Edited by AllSeasons 02/28/2023 2:15 pm
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I look at it the same way AllSeasons and hjacinto. I don't bother with SLV or GLD or paper trading in general. I leave the paper side to be handled by the company that administers my 401k and put away a solid amount towards that with each paycheck. Stacking physical PMs is both a hobby, for diversification of savings, and for other reasons.
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Having a background in the market (I'm not a financial expert by any means of the imagination but have been trading since mid 90's internet boom) I guess I have a slightly different perspective on the way the GLD/SLV are perceived. The way I personally view both paper & physical, they are both investments.... as my end-goal is ultimately/eventually to make an ROI. When I'm trading, my approach is to make quick money.... as I mentioned on my Feb. 24th post in this thread. Had I followed through on my original idea & bought Options when the technicals indicated a set up likely to generate some money, I'd be up alittle over +100% in 4 days. Having a trading tool at my disposal, has allowed me in the past to utilize the profits, buy physical & sit on it because I absolutely have an appreciation for physical, as I do own a few slabbed morgans, culls/junk & gold.
That being said.... my collections isn't nearly as cool as hf's stash. To all that have commented, thanks.... its been educational/interesting to get others perspectives on said subject.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Looks like Powell's testimony has had a big impact on silver today. Down to $20.08 USD as of now!
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United States
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Quote: Looks like Powell's testimony has had a big impact on silver today. Down to $20.08 USD as of now! Doesn't bother me as I will continue to buy regardless of price. The dip just means I can get a little more for my money.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Quote: Doesn't bother me as I will continue to buy regardless of price. The dip just means I can get a little more for my money. I want to stack more, too! It's broken through the psychological/support level of $20 a few times already, but is brought back to above $20 every time. We'll see what happens. If the $20 support level doesn't hold, we'll likely see $18 or $17 silver in the near future, which would present an excellent buying opportunity.
Edited by AllSeasons 03/09/2023 03:01 am
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