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I agree that this was overstruck at a mint of some kind, given that the images are all "positive" images, meaning dies were used and thus ruling out a vise job. Since the LMC devices are affected but the TOL devices are not, the LMC devices were struck first. I wonder if OP's grandfather worked at THE mint or a commercial mint. These mardi gras tokens started being made in the early 1960's and by 1974 would likely have been produced at several locations. Seems likely someone at a commercial mint would have slipped a cent into their presses, and frankly impossible to see how the TOL dies could have been used at a US mint facility. As to value, Sharpe collectors, mardi gras collectors, and New Orleans collectors might all be interested in such an object. I don't think the value is extreme, but I do suspect there's a market for it. |
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That's a good analysis.  |
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I wonder if OP's grandfather worked at THE mint or a commercial mint. That was my initial thought. It is very interesting to say the least. |
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Seeing how this 'coin' (the Lincoln Cent one) was struck in 197(4) I went and did a bit of research: Quote:
After Educoin folded in the mid-1970s, Sharpe worked for a stint at the newly created New Orleans branch of the Hamilton Mint, a commemorative-coin company, but for the most part he remained a freelance artist, and he preferred it that way. He worked freehand, often doing his metal etchings straight from his imagination after hours spent waiting for inspiration to strike. Here is the site I found: https://www.hnoc.org/publications/f...as-much-more |
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Very cool cuiosity piece.
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Question: If this were from the U.S. mint with that alteration, why is the second strike on the top of the coin? The mint doesn't have those dies. This was altered post strike. Not a U.S. mint error, but an altered coin somewhere else.
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The mint doesn't have those dies. This was altered post strike. Not a U.S. mint error, but an altered coin somewhere else. Coop, Did you even read my post just above? The creator of this 'coin' worked at the Hamilton Mint |
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Cherish this as having been made by your grandfather. Interesting, but as mentioned, no numismatic value.  |
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The creator of this 'coin' worked at the Hamilton Mint Too much supposition this statement. H. Alvin Sharpe was a noted artist in New Orleans and is credited with creating the Mardi Gras Coin. While it's true that he worked for the Hamilton Mint for a time, it would have been strictly as an artist, not in the physical coin making part of the minting process. In fact, unless I'm mistaken, there isn't anything to show the origin of the dies used, so assuming it's from Hamilton or that Sharpe had anything to do with the coin would be improper, at this time anyway. Quote:
but as mentioned, no numismatic value. This is almost certainly incorrect also. I don't know a lot about dubloon collecting, but a quick internet search shows it's an active area of exonumia. http://www.ccdtclub.com/https://www.mardigrasdoubloons.com/homeIf the OP could ID the original dubloon who's dies were used that would go along way to establishing value, but I'd bet a healthy amount there's a Mardi Gras collector out there that would love to own something like this. Not saying OP can retire on it should he decide to sell, just pointing out that altered coins are collected by all sorts of hobbyists so we shouldn't jump to conclusions. |
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Too much supposition this statement. I don't think it is too far of a stretch to think that Sharpe was responsible for this coin, and who knows maybe more are out there. Afher all it does have his full name on it, the coin is dated to the timeframe that he worked at the Hamilton Mint. And who's to say that he didn't go to the minting machines to 'test' out a new die or something. Everything we think we know about this item is all subject to supposition. My above statement is my supposition for now, until more evidence to the contrary develops. Edited by Dearborn
04/08/2023 3:40 pm
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@nickelsearcher summed it up perfectly...............
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Maybe contact Mike Beyers first about it since he has at least dealt with intentional creation of overstrikes of US Mint coinage. Some of course also defy logic since they are not accidental but intentionally created as this one appears most likely to be, and then taken out of the mint. Someone who had employment at a mint depending on their job might be capable of such a feat and would need to then be authenticated. https://mikebyers.com/37033044.html Otherwise if there was not a US mint employee involved, the most likely source would have been a 3rd party mint like the mentioned hamilton mint where someone intentionally created it after the cent left the us mint. The person with the name on it could then have been one possible creator in that case, but also could have not been involved. Edited by datadragon
04/08/2023 4:16 pm
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Explained very well. |
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