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Bedrock of the Community
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I bet it has good remaining luster and that the pictures are doing it no favors. XF40
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Looks like those long scratches on Reverse side are on the slab not the coin, some odd white spotting both sides too. Enough detail for EF45 in my view.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Moderator
United States
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'll go VF30/35
Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Valued Member
United States
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XF-40, but I'm not great at grading gold.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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but I'm not great at grading gold. Grading gold is always difficult. I'm sure my grade is low. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would have guessed XF-45, with a good chance of a "cleaned" designation on the label. Seems like NGC was pretty lenient on this one.
Perhaps it looks much nicer in-hand.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I still think
VF-35
despite full slab pics.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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they are definitely easier on gold hits than any other coin series due to the metal composition. the photo of the coin in the holder looks way better than the original photos. I think lighting and close up of the coin is just showing every single mark on the coin and masking luster that looks like it may be there. there are markers that do say AU like the crown definition. the coin strike is also weak adding to the grading challenge. the slab photo is showing some luster which the other photos are not. BH1964 called the luster. we can only grade coins based on what we see no matter what series, any coin can look different in hand. this may be one of them. the coin also may be over graded which we do see from even the top tier TPG's |
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Portugal
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Yes gold coins may be damaged more easily. But I agree it is lighting that makes these coins hard to grade by photos.
It is very easy with gold coins for bumps and scratches to seem much worse in a photo than they really are. Because even a small disturbance in the surface exposes very shinny metal. If disturbed at all that metal will shine and show on photos but for each scratch only with light from a certain direction.
The normal surface of a not proof gold coin is uneven, with microscopic roughness.It disperses light. Circulated coins that are worn evenly also look dull when seen live because light is dispersed many ways by the many micro-scratches. But with directional light some scratches become more visible, others almost invisible, and the coin looks in a photo worse shape than it looks in hard.
I have been attempting to photograph a double eagle today and noticed this directional effect now on just the few bumps it has. I can have a great looking photo or a bad looking one depending on the direction of the light. Looking at the photos of the worn coin here I see the same. The photos highlight the scratches and bumps that are perpendicular to the light even if they are shallow.
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I can have a great looking photo or a bad looking one depending on the direction of the light. Jekz79 got it with his statement. you can never rely on photos. its very easy to manipulate the surfaces by moving the lighting, slightly tilting the coin or adjusting in post a photo editing App. this makes grading any coin by photo not a science. we take our best shot at assessing coins via photo as its our only choice. the more coins you look at the easier it is to see through what someone has done to attempt to hide defects. sometimes we see them, sometimes we cant. sometimes in the case of this coin, the light and blowups enhanced the surfaces to see more flaws and less luster than what may be there. we do our best based on what we have and on top of that TPG grading is not 100% accurate either. we have seen this over and over |
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