1864 Two Cent Reverse Die Clash With Reverse Of Indian Head Cent?

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with Yokozuna, a rotated reverse that clashed with a normal 2 cent reverse, not the Indian Head cent clash.

The IHC clash is known as die pairing FL-16B and is also a light repunched date best seen West on 1 and 4, the obverse is plagued with deep die scratches:
-North from denticles below 1, between 86 and under the 4.
-In the field between 3rd and 4th vertical stripe.
-In field below arrow shaft at left.

The Reverse doesn't have a full serif on the top of the D in UNITED but a partial outline only.
There is also heavy bold outlining of UNITED S -- CA, and the word CENTS
There is a bold die crack that passes through the field under CENTS.
Later die states are heavily cracked as shown in the illustration below.

That is the coin showing the areas to look for.

It is also involved with a different obverse pre clashing that is very similar and has the die crack but no clashing yet. This one is known as die pairing FL-2B


And even before that pairing there is FL-2N:

Last here is a photo taken that shows the clash with the Indian Head cent pretty well, had to shoot at a severe angle and play with lighting to get it to show up on camera, this coin is in a PCGS AU58 slab.


EDIT: It is NOT the FS-1401 the IHC/Clash is FS-1901, the FS-1401 has a clash off center around the top of the reverse side of the wreath and the top of the Motto on the obverse, (both sides showing clashed denticles almost like a tank track across the coin) that is a tough one to find, I still don't have one in my collection, found a couple already noted on the holder but they were asking way more than I would pay for one, $600 to over $1K. PCGS Coinfacts has a good example:
https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...01-bn/569394

I actually had 2 of the IHC clash Two Cent coins before they were discovered/announced by Bill Fivaz, I just never thought that they would have been clashed by another denomination, and never looked that close.

and also to the CCF new member and fellow Texan!

Westcoin - you've gone over and above here, again. It's much, much appreciated.

This is exactly why I love this hobby and especially this coin community. So much knowledge and the willingness to teach others is very impressive. Many thanks Yokozuna and westcoin. I have a lot to study and learn.

I'd like to learn more about my favorite coin: the Two Cent Piece. What books / reference materials are there that I can acquire to learn more. I have The Authoritative Reference On Two Cent Coins by Kevin Flynn, but I'd like additional reference books to read.

Thank anyone for any suggestions.

There really aren't many others out there. I'm working on a book on Small Motto Proofs and patterns. Don't know if it will ever get completed.

Frank Leone has the best two books on the series in my opinion.

His first is: "Longacre's Two Cent Piece die varieties and errors" it was published in a sprial plastic comb binding in December 1991

His next and final book is "Longacre's Two Cent Piece: 1864 Attribution Guide" Published in a metal spiral bound book in 1997.

His plans were to create a book on each date and list all the die pairings, that was the impetus behind my own 2nd line collection. He never made the money from book sales and can't afford to finish them was the last word he mentioned to me many years ago. Sad.

The final book is by Myron Kliman and has no photos only some line drawing, everything in it has largely been superseded by Kevin and Frank's books.

Frank's books are long out of print and very expensive if you can find them. I do have extra copies but they would not be cheap at all. (Not a sales pitch, seriously it would take close to a half a grand for me to part with both books).

Kevin Flynn wrote a first book before his Authoritative book, which is cheap but adds nothing that isn't in the book you have already.

Frank did also put out a newsletter called the "2 Cent Times" in the early 1990's I have a complete set of them and am trying to find a person trustworthy to bind them for me into a hardbound book. Frank had a couple of copies last time we emailed, but no complete set. He also wrote a few columns in CONECA's Errorscope magazine detailing new die pairings. There have been a handful of articles written in magazines over the years but nothing new is added to what information is in Frank and Kevin's books, beyond the few Frank Leone article's in Errorscope.

If you really want copies of some of the various magazine articles, PM me privately and I'll see what I can gather up to send you. Most I have scanned as PDF files in my reference notes folder.

As you might have guessed I am pretty nuts myself over the Two Cent Piece and it has by far taken over most of my research and collecting habits over the past 3-4 decades. There was a time I was heavy into VAM dollars and lately I've gravitated towards Colonial and early American coinage, but since they are so expensive my next logical and so far really exciting and fun turn has been into British Provincial Tokens ie: Conder Tokens.

These I can get multiple 1790's coins and tokens in proof, proof like and uncirculated conditions, for a pittance of what a poor or about good 1793 large cent would cost.

While I still actively collect Two Cent Pieces (by die variety) I am finding after 35 years collecting them it's getting harder and harder to find examples I don't already have, though upgrades show up often, the cost has really risen on the higher end examples.

It's a great short collection that can be completed in short order in fairly high grade both business strikes and proofs, even adding all of the major varieties (One exception, is of course, the Small Motto Proof).

I mentioned I have a few copies left myself, I sold these back in the mid 1990's after Frank published them, I had a very early website - 1993-95 time, featuring training on varieties of Two Cent Pieces and VAMs. It's the only book there is to figure out die pairings of 1864 Two Cent Pieces, so I find it invaluable. Last copy I sold I got $225 last fall. The Kevin Flynn authoritative book is really good for covering the basic varieties, but if you are working towards a complete die pair set then the 1864 Attribution guide is your only choice.

I would say Frank probably got around 98-99% of every die pair that exists. Wish he would put out a volume for 1865 dates too. The rest of the dates there are a lot less of the coins around so it's not so bad.

Is it worth spending that much ($200+)? I think so, at least for me. For others maybe not, entirely depends on what your collecting goals are. I spend $100-300 on books all the time, for my own numismatic library, but I like books and collect them as well.

Interesting