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2001-P Cent With Crazy Strange Lines.

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 Posted 07/04/2023  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Very nice find! A keeper. I have never seen Feeder Finger Damage that strong before!
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 Posted 07/04/2023  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutch-Tigger to your friends list

Most dramatic Feeder Finger Die Scrapes/Scratches seen by the look of it all of us
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 Posted 07/04/2023  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
How come FF in 2001 and to cover 3/4 of the coin?
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 Posted 07/05/2023  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list
I was thinking it had to be feeder finger die damage as well.

Ok Silviosi, fill us in on why Feeder Finger Damage wouldn't be on Lincoln cents in 2001?

The type of presses used?
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 Posted 07/05/2023  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mb560600 to your friends list
Interesting. However, if it were finger feeder damage, wouldn't the damage affect the Memorial roof, columns and steps also? Those areas do not appear to have been damaged...
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 Posted 07/05/2023  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mb560600 to your friends list
Duh.....just realized the Feeder Finger Damage would appear on the coin before it is struck---Correct?
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 Posted 07/05/2023  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list

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Duh.....just realized the Feeder Finger Damage would appear on the coin before it is struck---Correct?


No, the feeder fingers actually scrape against and damage the die and that damage is transferred to the coin when it's struck.

Since the die is really like a negative image of a coin, anything lower on the coin, like the fields (flat areas surrounding the devices) is actually higher on the die and the higher areas on the coin (the devices) are lower, or recessed, on the die.

The higher areas on the die are scraped by the feeder fingers but the damage doesn't extend into the lower parts of the die, which is why you get the appearance of damage/lines/markings to the lower area of the coin that doesn't extend into the higher areas of the coin.
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 Posted 07/05/2023  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
yep, HGK, explained this quite well.
Only the fields are affected on a die - which gives the appearance that the lines are behind the memorial.
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 Posted 07/05/2023  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
@ Pete this coin it is 2001, so the used the Horizontal presses which do not has FFs.

The HGK3 explanation is very good and could not be resumed only to FF and expand to any relative hard material which the Die struck on.

In my vision for this coin the lines on the coin, mean the pattern and the surface of the coin present them, made me think this Die has those marks from the times start with Squeezing and ended with the installation. I go more after squeeze when the Die go to the rework of the outside form and hardener.

I will put here photo of Feeder Finger in pair, because those work rotative as a dial phone. One took the planchet and install on the place and the second contrary rotation of the first one took out the struck coin.

So I will show here the FF of the last Gräbener vertical press use for BS in Denver and also a Gräbener press photo.

Thanks and give your feedback.
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 Posted 07/05/2023  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
I upgrade with two photos from a Die of that year. I show the lines of the side of the Die which it is on side (second photo). For me seem the worker who rework the Die to can fit the press touch the Die striking surface.

What you think ?
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 Posted 07/05/2023  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jay4202472000 to your friends list
I'll admit, I don't know the intricacies of the presses used during this era of Lincoln cents, so I'll take your word that the feeder fingers in the images above were no longer used. However, something regularly scrapes the dies, either during the insertion into the striking chamber, or during ejection. The scrapes are almost always similar in appearance, and normally run in an approximate 45 degree angle NW/SE. If memory serves me correctly, most if not all I have seen like this were on the reverse of this era cents. Something that moves in the same direction all the time is scraping the dies. I ran into this 1999 last week searching bank rolls.

Hope you don't mind the images and hope they work. Haven't uploaded in a couple years.


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 Posted 07/05/2023  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EricH to your friends list
Not sure if it changes much but I double checked and it turns out the pictures I posted were of a 98 .. here's one of the actual 01 sorry for the trouble.

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 Posted 07/05/2023  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
Sil, I just don't know. You said the mint didn't abrade/polish dies after the early 2000's too, just don't know....

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 Posted 07/05/2023  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jay4202472000 to your friends list

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Sure they do Jon. I had forgotten about it at the time of the thread you started about die abrasions, but was reminded. Trails have been determined to be caused by overzealous polishing of the die. Trail dies would have stopped if die abrasion stopped.
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 Posted 07/06/2023  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
The only abraded (polishing) Die on this days and today will be after the squeeze and after they made the Die before to be hardened. then after is no more intervention, just change. That abrading it is a very short period on cotton buffers.

Make: the coin you referee show inconstances in the lines and show as like scratches and not polishing lines.

We have in the coin history periods of technology:
1. 1778 to 1909 (1910)
2. 1910 to 1965
3. 1966 to 1999
4. 2000 to present

So do we have to mixt all because reticence or other reasons? No, just adapt.

PS: Better tell me about the fir of my photos with the lines. for you: they fit perfect.

Also please do not confouns some times the bancs lines.
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