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1946 D Jefferson Nickel. Almost A Clip?

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 Posted 11/27/2023  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list

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I'm also struggling a bit with the seemingly intact rim in this area.

Yeah, that's what I'm stuck on, too. If the front and back of the coin were crushed inwards, then why does the metal underneath have any rim structure whatsoever? Maybe that could happen as a type of repeated circulation wear being inserted into coin slots for 77 years, but it sure seems odd.

I think we need better angled pictures of the edge, and also how the lettering approaches the edge.

I'm almost wondering if this was a flawed planchet with thin metal in that section, that then got some rim formation in the upset mill. I can see that the rim on the back directly across from the anomaly also looks unusual.

Alternately, maybe it's just that the internal metal was compressed by the upset mill, and circulation wear has made the different metal reappear, somewhat like Nic-A-Date on Buffalo nickels.

Lots of possibilities, above my pay grade.
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 Posted 11/27/2023  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
Has to be PMD. The collar wouldn't let the metal pooch out like that. Maybe a smooth jaw vise.
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 Posted 11/27/2023  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobO411 to your friends list
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 Posted 11/27/2023  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Still can't imagiine this happening at the miint.
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 Posted 11/27/2023  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
Here angle 3D pics:

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 Posted 11/27/2023  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
Could it have been crushed vertically without deforming the circular shape?
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 Posted 11/27/2023  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
I think the clue may be in the center of the coin, there is damage, dead center of both sides. Maybe force into a penny bubblegum machine?

Very nice job on the pics, Rob.
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Rob, lay a cent on top of the nickel, centered and see how close it aligns with the damaged sides.
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 Posted 11/27/2023  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
I was thinking Coin Wrapping Machine for the concentric scrapes, but that's a good point.
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 Posted 11/28/2023  07:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DOCC to your friends list
The center swirl on Reverse reminds me of coin dispenser markings; you know the old school ball park hot dog vendor thingys. Coin could have got jammed in one and enough force applied - AKA hammer to the lever - to cause some PMD by the push out arm. Thats all I got !!!
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 Posted 11/28/2023  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobO411 to your friends list
Sorry. Hope I'm not to much.

I noticed that also Jon in the center. Also the top of his head/hair looks odd ( poofy?) towards the rim?

Easier said than done, trying to center a coin. lol I had to touch in between shakes.


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Here's a little different angle and light.
Also wondering about those reversed ( rim fins)?
If it was a device that took coins. I think it would have to have a pretty good handle to spin. If it was crushed where did the metal go? Those (fins) isn't enough to cover the area. But maybe so and how did they get there?
Okay. I'll stop.

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It seems to me that the perimeter of the coin was pinched after the coin left the mint. Later circulation presumably pushed up an elevation along the outside of the pinched metal on both faces. I cannot entirely rule out damage to the blank (i.e., pre-upset). However, if this were the case, I feel that the two "lips" on the edge would have been flattened down to a greater extent by both upsetting and the strike.
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 Posted 11/28/2023  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list
The photo of the rim and edge that is just west of the E in EPU indicates PMD I believe. That area is directly opposite the feature and shows flattening damage where the coin was braced for whatever pinched and crimped the metal in question.
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 Posted 11/28/2023  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobO411 to your friends list
Thank you all for your comments and opinions.
I'll put it down as one of those maybe ( not sure).

@Coinhi.
I thought the same thing at first. But to put something braced on that side so to pinch the other side on both sides of the coin, just thought it would've caused more damage there. The rim is only pushed in a small amount on the reverse side. I'm still wondering, how did the letters get pulled away in sort of a straight line from the curvature of the rim on both sides? To move that much metal would've taken a lot of pressure. ( Even if that was possible.)

I really appreciate everyone's help, on all the questions I come up with for the coins I post.

Thanks. Rob
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