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1799 Draped Bust Dollar- Opinions?

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 Posted 01/28/2024  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Glad you found them. So the second coin was pulled from ebay as counterfeit?
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 Posted 01/29/2024  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
I was going to say "I didn't know you bought genuine coins!"

Good catch. That would have fooled me first glance.
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 Posted 01/29/2024  06:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
The 1st example was pulled by ebay; seller acknowledged no sale and he unfortunately had bought it as genuine.

The 2nd example is one that came across a Dealer's counter and is on its way to me, allowing a little better research in hand.

And I do occasionally buy genuine coins...
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01/29/2024 06:55 am
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 Posted 01/29/2024  09:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
I had it as a counterfeit, but was watching the 49ers game and did not post. Deceptive counterfeit and I could not lock it in until you posted your coin. What I also found interesting is that the ebay coin was showing Die Deterioration at top of shield on reverse and your coin show's no deterioration. Thanks for posting. Here are some reverse tells on both counterfeits.

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 Posted 01/29/2024  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Good detective work!
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 Posted 01/29/2024  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
A fake that fools dealers is a pretty good fake. High quality toning, numerals and dentils.
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 Posted 01/29/2024  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
paralyse, you have seen this "same old fake reverse" on others?
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 Posted 01/29/2024  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
I might be confused, but it reminded me of the coin you posted previously. I should clarify that I was referring to the overall appearance of the coin, not to any particular specific die markers. I apologize if there was confusion there.
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 Posted 01/29/2024  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Well I'm confused. How can you say "same old fake reverse" if you can't point to specifics?
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 Posted 01/29/2024  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
Not the same variety of the bad ones with common marks; this one is a BB-158, the common bad reverse is BB-163.
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 Posted 01/29/2024  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
I removed my original response to avoid further confusion.
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 Posted 01/29/2024  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
I am always very careful about possible misinformation, especially on counterfeits; sometimes my responses are slow pending fact checks...
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 Posted 01/29/2024  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list

Quote:
And I do occasionally buy genuine coins...


Do you still have your Vermont set? It's one of the better sets I've seen over the years - a tough series I'd love to get into more myself.

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 Posted 02/02/2024  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list
So, I now have the 2nd one in hand and it doesn't appear "polished" as my original images.

The edge does show the attribution mark from the original ANA documentation.

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I took some additional close up images of this one:

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 Posted 02/02/2024  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
So the coin is a decent counterfeit at first glance, but the edge is too clean and a dead giveaway to me. Thanks for the edge photos.

Always pays off to look at the third side of a coin!
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