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Unusual Tarnishing Over 15 Years That Coins Have Been Stored In An Album. Any Ideas What Caused It?

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If I'm understanding this correctly, the "corrosion protection" pages caused corrosion? Toning is technically corrosion. I wonder what special "technology" is in these things.


It says technology developed by Lucent/Bell Labs, that's the (now out of patent) Intercept Shield.

Turns out I've gone down this rabbit hole before!

http://goccf.com/t/158980
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If I'm understanding this correctly, the "corrosion protection" pages caused corrosion? Toning is technically corrosion. I wonder what special "technology" is in these things.


That's just a theory of mine, because it seems too coincidental that the coins would tarnish in such a particular pattern that happens to match the anti-corrosion page. Or, perhaps it's the other way around, and the parts of the coins that didn't tarnish are thanks to the page, but it failed to protect the entirety of the surfaces.


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Can you post a full pic of the album please?


It's one of the ones with a slipcase and the green cover that states, "Archival Quality" in gold lettering. Was there something you wanted to see about mine in particular? Feeling too lazy to upload a photo, but I will if it's helpful. :) There's another anti-corrosion page just before the first coin page, but those coins were tarnished to begin with, so there's nothing noticeably unusual about them.
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 Posted 03/30/2024  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Just wanted to make sure it is an album and not a folder.
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Just wanted to make sure it is an album and not a folder.


Yep, album. I contacted Littleton, as you suggested. Hopefully this will get a response:

"Hello,

I purchased your 1909-1958 Lincoln Cent Album approximately 17 years ago, along with the matching slipcase and "Littleton's Corrosion Protection" pages. The album has been sitting in a closet almost the entire time since purchase, with the anti-corrosion pages inserted and slipcase on. A couple of days ago, I discovered that the reverse of many of the coins on the last coin page have developed highly abnormal patterns of tarnish: several evenly spaced vertical lines. I couldn't help but notice that the anti-corrosion pages are segmented with lines of the same spacing. It seems that the anti-corrosion pages had something to do with the resulting tarnish, or else failed to protect the entirety of the coins from naturally occurring tarnish. No other coins in my collection (including other copper ones) suffered any particularly remarkable tarnishing, so the former seems more likely. The anti-corrosion pages recommended replacement date has passed, but only 2 years ago, in 2022.

I'd very much appreciate your help in determining how the anti-corrosion page caused the damage. Or, if there's another plausible explanation, I'd be happy to read it, but I highly doubt that there is. I realize that this likely won't be an easy issue to address, but I know that a company such as Littleton that prides itself in "providing outstanding customer service to collectors since 1945" should be happy to help.

Photos can be found here:
http://goccf.com/t/461992

Looking forward to hearing back and reporting on your response!"
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 Posted 03/30/2024  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Please do share the reply wih us!
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 Posted 03/30/2024  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list

I bet that blame where you stored it, humidity.
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I'm interested in seeing what they reply with.
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Littleton is a retail company that seldom distinguishes itself, so not surprising that their gimmicky stab at the coin-preservation album market fell on its face. I'd never buy anything from them.
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I bet that blame where you stored it, humidity.


I'll openly admit that they weren't stored particularly well (nothing was used to lower humidity, but at least they weren't in an attic or anything), but that doesn't explain the really weird tarnish pattern. Nor does it account for my other coins being perfectly fine, despite some of them also being copper pennies.
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Further ... https://www.coroplast.com/

Coroplast makes corrugated plastics - does anyone want to bet they put the corrosion inhibition stuff in the channels leaving well streaks?

It doesn't look like they make it any longer: this link https://www.coroplast.com/catalog/coroplast-ci/ is dead.

The internet archive has page captures from 2011-2019. Doesn't say much, here is from 2018: https://web.archive.org/web/20180630082038/http://www.coroplast.com/catalog/coroplast-ci


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 Posted 03/30/2024  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
Interesting topic here, I never had used the littleton products, I stick to Dansco now - but 50 years ago I used Whitman folders (all I could afford with my quarter allowance)
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Despite the hate, Littleton doesn't manufacture their products, they contract out to the larger producers, like, well, Dansco and Whitman.

Contract manufacturing runs from white label (taking an existing product and putting your name on it) to fully customized - selecting a thinner grade of cardboard or face paper to save money. But the basics of the process don't typically change.
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 Posted 04/01/2024  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numark to your friends list
I doubt anyone will be surprised to know that they sent a generic response that doesn't even begin to address my actual concern. Littleton, I didn't need a mini lesson on what toning/tarnish is, and how it can occur. I was never expecting your product to entirely prevent tarnish all on its own. I would have much preferred that the coins have natural-looking, even tarnish, which I'm almost certain would have been the worst-case scenario had I not used your product.

Seems to me that this is likely the same message they send to anyone with a remotely similar concern. "Outstanding customer service" would be tailoring the response to a particularly unusual situation when required, not this nonsense:


"I'm very sorry for any misunderstanding regarding your coins and our albums. While our albums are designed to provide the best possible protection for your coins, there is absolutely nothing that can prevent toning completely.

Littleton coin albums are constructed of acid-free materials and the slides which cover the coins are of polyvinylchloride(PVC)-free plastic. Like any other album, they are not airtight. Over a period of time all coins not kept in airtight holders can expect to tone a bit. Toning is a natural process found on uncirculated coins. Every coin begins to tone as soon as it leaves the press, because all coins contain reactive metals. Over a period of time, coins chemically react with substances in their environment. For silver coins, the result is a surface film of varying intensity that gives all or part of the coin a range of solid or multi-colored iridescent hues on the surface. Another feature commonly found on uncirculated coins is a white to yellow 'staining'. This natural occurrence is a result of the minting process.

The more we are learning about the environment surrounding where and how the coins are housed, the more we understand about the possibilities. For instance, coins housed in a paper pulp town or in a hot, humid coastal area, will tone differently than those housed in a dry community. Coins kept in holders in a damp cellar or hot, humid attic may tone more rapidly and deeply than those kept in an air-controlled room of a home. It is possible that damp, humid conditions, high acidity from a nearby pulp processing plant, even heavy cigarette smoke, can accelerate the toning process.

We do not know if your coins are kept in an environment that is unusual one way or the other; perhaps the environment would not be noticeable to any person. Just the coins or other metals may react.

At Littleton, we've been striving to build better albums and ways of coin storage. Technology has affected all parts of our life, including coin collecting. The corrosion barrier technology from Lucent Laboratories has truly added another dimension to coin collecting. Using this technology can halt toning and eliminate corrosion."
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Despite the hate, Littleton doesn't manufacture their products, they contract out to the larger producers, like, well, Dansco and Whitman.

Contract manufacturing runs from white label (taking an existing product and putting your name on it) to fully customized - selecting a thinner grade of cardboard or face paper to save money. But the basics of the process don't typically change.


Interesting, thanks for sharing. I certainly won't be using any "anti-corrosion technology" anytime soon.
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