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the thin liberty has on the reverse th I of IN touching the wing ,,
If you have a breen's catalog the thin liberty is described in the 1878 7 tail feathers Breen 5509 and following.
Rick
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my VAM-83 here the "I" in "in" is not touching here is a picture of my VAM-83. I dont have a breens book but I just looked at all my B1 reverses which consists of vam-79,82,83,84 and none of them have the "I" touching the wing  Edited by Bryan1315
04/02/2006 02:02 am
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Bryan Please explain the characteristics of the Vam-83 ? what makes it a VAM ? Breen is not known for being correct on all issues ,, I would just like to check the info on the long nock and short nock varieties . It really plain to me I have got to expand my refernces on these coins !! Rick |
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I am not sure hers is a vam-83 just from the first picture I looked at it looked like it was. But look at the pictures I posted at first, the low "8" in "18" and the long nock on the reverse is what the VAM-83 consists of. I will post pictures of each VAM that the B1 reverse has. Just give me a few minutes to get the pictures together |
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Thanks Bryan
I will study your pictures, they will be a great help to me !!!
Rick
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I know alot of others have asked about the B1 reverse since I have mentioned it so much on this forum and now they can see what they are.
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Good Morning Gentlemen, You've been busy while I slept! All this information is sooooo interesting. Now I'll know what a reed mark looks like, thanks. It seems that inconsistancies are called VAMs. But the VAMS have numbers related to specific areas and appearance. VAM stands for ?. Thank you Rick and thank you Bryan!! I'm learning, I'm learning!! Alice |
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VAM stands for VanAllen and Mallis who literally wrote the book on Morgan and Peace dollar varieties. There are over three thousand VAM varieties for Morgans alone. Many of these are practically invisible to the naked eye. This is a very specialized area of Morgan collecting of which I am aware, but don't normally partake, with excepts (1890CC "tail bar", 1891CC "spitting eagle", These many varieties resulted for lack of quality control used to make the dies and hubs, both for the reverse and obverse of Morgans. I suppose it could be said that every Morgan die was unique since each had its own idiosyncracy (-ies). Except for a very few Morgans, there is little difference in value between a "normal" coin and a variety except to variety collectors. Exceptions include the aforementioned spitting eagle, tail bar, and 1878 7/8 tail feathers. BTW, 1878 has the most number of differing major varieties. Frd
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Hi Fred
Fred I have made a suggestion in the suggestion forum for a Morgans only area ,,if you think that would be a good Idea where all the info that is being presented for morgans could be centralised,, perhaps you could post your opinion as well.
Rick, at first blush, I think the idea has merit and I would certainly participate, might even live on it. However, on second blush, the fans of other popular series such as Bust Half Dollars, States Quarter, Flying Eagle cents, and IHC might them want a category all their own and the only ones who might visit would be those who collect them or are interested in them. Also, while I tend to concentrate on Morgans, I also like to at least look at, if not try to grade the other coins in Coin Grading Practice forum which are mixed in with our beloved Morgans (OK, I'll add Peace dollars). Given my time crunch these days, I probably would not very often get to the other specialized forums any more than I get to the many other forums such as Coins In The News or Australian Coins or even Canadian Coins (for which I also have a fondness, not to mention a fairly wide collection), all of which I have great interest, but not great time. Lemme think this over some more. And let me see what the response to your suggestion in the Suggestions section might be. It very well could be that Morgans are an exceptions. Fred |
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Originally posted by Morgan Fred
BTW, 1878 has the most number of differing major varieties.
Frd
This is the reason I asked you to please put the 1878 in a section by itself when you first posted it with the other morgan you had, because it has so many varieties and from the pictures you had given it was impossible to even start to see what variety your coin was (or if it was one at all). alliegirl will you please post a picture of the coin focusing on the date with the coin laying flat. the reason I ask is because in the first picture it looks like it could be the variety I mentioned (which unlike morgan fred I am very interested in B1 reverse Morgans)but in the second one you posted I am not sure, so a picture with it laying flat and not at a angle may be the best way to tell. Even if its not the Low "8" it could still be a B1 reverse because I am almost positive it has the "Long Nock" on your coin. While you are taking pictures go ahead and turn the coin over and take another one concetrating on the part of the arrow that the feathers are attached to if you dont mind so we can see if it does have the long nock or not |
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OK Bryan, Will do, but have to pick mom up at the mall first. Hope there's daylight left when I get back. If not, tomorrow's another day.
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Ok it definately has a Long Nock on the arrow, with these pictures I dont think its the low 8 version I thought it was at first but since it has the long nock it could still be a B1 reverse morgans just not sure what variation of it. As you can see from my other post there are quite a few of them. I will keep studying the pictures from the first post and this last one and see if I can attribute it for you. I will let you know if I can find out anything. another note another note about the B1 reverse morgans is that between all 3 top TPG's (NGC,PCGS,ANACS) they have only graded a handfull of this type of reverse (considering how many other varieties they have graded) very few for each VAM# so they are a little hard to come by Edited by Bryan1315
04/03/2006 2:47 pm
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Hi Bryan, You are just so great to take the time to research this for me. I truly appreciate it!!! The nock must be the straight piece in the center, and it does look like there's an extra notch on the end of it. I think this is what you're talking about. Boy you sure need good eyes or a great magnifying glass to see all these tiny differences in coins!! Plus the most important thing, you've got to know what you're looking for too. Talk to you later!! Alice
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