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2009 District Of Columbia & US Territories Proof Quarter Set With Roller Lines?

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 Posted 05/01/2024  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list
Never seen that on a proof coin before, very strange.
Lasers out of adjustment , certainly could be.
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 Posted 05/01/2024  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I do not believe those are roller lines. They are from the lasers used to etch the die for the frosting.
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 Posted 05/02/2024  04:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elliottite to your friends list
Here's a couple more shots...
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 Posted 05/02/2024  04:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elliottite to your friends list
Would this be considered a error?
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 Posted 05/02/2024  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
That isa good question, it 'could' be considered an error, albeit a minor one. it certainly is interesting looking - But seeing how it is in a lot of your coin it may be more common than we think.

I'll have to go back and check my set now...
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 Posted 05/02/2024  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Would this be considered a error?
I do not believe so. It is a normal part of the process now.
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Just the other day, I posted a 1987-S proof nickel with what I believed to be roller lines. As Dearborn said, it is basically impossible for the planchets to have lined up on all your quarters.

I can't tell from your pictures, are you shooting images through the plastic case? It might be that the optical properties of the plastic are creating the appearance of lines.

Edit: if you zoom in really far, you can see distortion on the blue background that is running in the same direction as the lines on the quarters.
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 Posted 05/02/2024  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elliottite to your friends list

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I can't tell from your pictures, are you shooting images through the plastic case?

Not shooting through the plastic. I opened these up.


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I'll have to go back and check my set now..

You can not see these when you look at the coin straight on. It's when you have light on the side of the coin and they just light up. I'll post a couple of pics to maybe better understand.
Thank you for all the shared knowledge. This forum rules.

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I propose an experiment. Keep the light position the same, the camera position the same, and rotate the case 90 degrees.
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 Posted 05/02/2024  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elliottite to your friends list

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I propose an experiment


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Keep the light position the same, the camera position the same, and rotate the case 90 degrees.


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 Posted 05/02/2024  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elliottite to your friends list
Ohhhh....is that 90° or 45°?
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that is 90°.

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You can not see these when you look at the coin straight on. It's when you have light on the side of the coin and they just light up

thanks for that tip..
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Some earlier posts to review. It seems the visible lines were a problem in the early days of laser etching, which seems to have started in 2009.

http://goccf.com/t/304189#2624502

http://goccf.com/t/395037#3380994
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 Posted 05/02/2024  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
Jbuck, that makes sense.

I asked about the rotation to eliminate the light-camera interaction as a possibility. Digital camera sensors are much more complex machines than old school film cameras. The semiconductors themselves can have all sorts of unusual properties, not to mention the layers of optics and filters atop them, and the post-processing that happens at the chip, CPU, and software levels.

LED lights can also have some weird polarization and coherence properties because of the way that a solid state light emitting diode produces the photons.

Since the phenomenon still appears regardless of light angle, we could have concluded it was on the coin surface and not due to lighting, camera, or their interaction.
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