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HI 1972 P Is It A Master Die Doubled Die?

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 Posted 06/15/2024  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Centinal to your friends list
Definitely need some clear, close up pics of the obv and rev. That 2 does look interesting to say the least.
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 Posted 06/15/2024  03:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
I am not seeing it as a doubled die. Let's wait for more members' input.
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 Posted 06/15/2024  07:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biedercoins to your friends list
Slight thickening in motto, I think. We'll need much better exposed photos with higher resolution on the devices in particular and if it is a DDO will need field photos as well to confirm whether or not it's a known minor die.
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 Posted 06/15/2024  07:47 am  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
Here is a link to a recent post where the same question was asked. I did not realize until Tanman explained it a while back but the doubling up inside the curve of the 2 is also part of the doubled master die. LINK http://goccf.com/t/467049
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 Posted 06/15/2024  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
Someone else just yesterday posted a '72 cent with the same question, but that was a 'S' minted coin with the same appearance. So did the mint use one master die for all the mints? Here it is: http://goccf.com/t/467049
So yes the doubling on the upper curve of the 2 is hub doubling - you need to look at the tail of the 2 for the DDO.
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 Posted 06/15/2024  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frank Baumann to your friends list
Hi. Thanks, I will check out the link and try to post some up close pix of IGWT and LIBERTY soon.
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 Posted 06/15/2024  09:50 am  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list

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Someone else just yesterday posted a '72 cent with the same question, but that was a 'S' minted coin with the same appearance. So did the mint use one master die for all the mints? Here it is: http://goccf.com/t/467049
So yes the doubling on the upper curve of the 2 is hub doubling - you need to look at the tail of the 2 for the DDO.
That link looks familiar, John.

Your terminology is a little off, "hub doubling" is what you want to find. This is when a working die has doubling created by a working hub striking the working die incorrectly. The doubling we see here comes from the doubled master die, which was used by all the mints, so it can be seen on P, D and S coins. I think sometimes people get this mixed up with a "doubled hub" which is not the same thing as "hub doubling".
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 Posted 06/15/2024  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list
Master die doubling on the OP's coin.


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...The doubling we see here comes from the doubled master die, which was used by all the mints, so it can be seen on P, D and S coins. I think sometimes people get this mixed up with a "doubled hub" which is not the same thing as "hub doubling".

I agree completely.
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 Posted 06/15/2024  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frank Baumann to your friends list
Hi, up close pix of IGWT, LIBERTY and full date etc. As you can see the coin is not the typical MDD as shown on Doubleddie.com or like the 1972 S ( link ). May be some Die Deterioration going on IGWT and LIBERTY. I see no doubling in these pix except for the 2 in the date. Tell me what you think. Thanks, Frank B.
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 Posted 06/15/2024  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frank Baumann to your friends list
Hi, note the lower inside curve of the upper G in GOD. Tripling ?
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 Posted 06/15/2024  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frank Baumann to your friends list
Hi, Thanks. I had a feeling it was a MDD coin but I had to make sure. Thanks, Frank B.
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 Posted 06/15/2024  10:25 am  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
With the added pics, I'm not sure now. I see no evidence of the doubled master die on LIBERTY and IGWT.
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 Posted 06/15/2024  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frank Baumann to your friends list
Hi, That was the point I was trying to make. I can not find a link to show this particular doubling as MDD. Let me know and Thanks, Frank B.
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These newer images are interesting.
All letters in GOD seem to show some interesting "shadows" towards the interior top.

Hmmm...
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 Posted 06/15/2024  11:19 am  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list
Not sure about what is happening with IGWT. That being said, what is going on with the date I feel is just part of the design. I have a side by side pic of yours, a 72 P that is not from the doubled master and jipa's, from the other thread, that is a 72 S that is from the doubled master. The fact that what we are seeing in the upper part of the 2, is on both coins, leads me to believe it is something that is just in the original design, from the Galvano. See what you think.


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