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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I have found them a very sound personal touch in terms of customer service and the ICCS grade carries a premium as everyone knows. I could send my EF40 NFLD 1872H 10c to PCGS or NGC and get a higher grade and a fancy holder but I see no reason to.
As for the longevity of the Co as long as whoever continues the grading keeps to the stricter or more conservative outputs
they should do just fine. The kicker for me is that I pay $100 bucks for Fedex to get my coins from Canada back to UK. NGC/PCGS
are far cheaper but their grading is more expensive and they take ages to do anything. Probably wandered off topic so I'll quit...marbury518
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Valued Member
Canada
475 Posts |
I have supported ICCS since 1986 and have had very little to complain about. I have submitted well over 15000 coins since then and the problems with opinions and grades could be counted easily on 2 hands. The reason that ICCS continues to thrive and indeed survive has a great deal to do with the integrity of Brian. Totally above board, conservative and as honest as they get. The ultimate show of respect in my humble opinion, is that the old style holders and his old fashioned way of doing business are accepted. The real truth is that PCGS and NGC have a different philosophy when it comes to grading coins, which simply does not translate well to Canadian , Australian or British coins.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
2495 Posts |
I totally agree with 54dollarcoin.
This is an old post and as I read the first few responses I had to laugh at the one poster who said "I would never send my coins to a company that only had 1 person grading them"
I beg to differ but that's the one most important point that's behind the success of ICCS.
The accuracy and more importantly the CONSISTENCY of ICCS's grading is because of this fact.
The inconsistency of NGC and PCGS is basically caused by the many (of varying skill and experience) graders that are viewing your coins.
Edited by doubleeagle59
11/02/2012 12:32 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
2301 Posts |
A "can of worms" is getting rehashed now. ICCS has lost consistency in the last 4 or 5 years. Their holders are no longer trust worthy, numerous blatant mistakes and "FAVOURS". An example being the famous twoonie with the "upset" core. As 54 dollar says, the old holders were gospel. Now a crap shoot sight unseen.
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Pillar of the Community
1007 Posts |
Nickelsguy could you elaborate on the upset core.
Thanks
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Pillar of the Community
1844 Posts |
I agree with nicklesguy, I have seen much to much favoritism with certain sellers .I have personally been to his office and he is NOT the only one grading Scott also grades as he done it right in front my eyes...
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
2301 Posts |
A twoonie was graded as mint state, remarks upset core. Was done as a favour by Scott. It ended up on ebay. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Was done as a favour by Scott. Where did you find that? |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1700 Posts |
Was ICCS established before CCCS?
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Pillar of the Community
1844 Posts |
yes maany many years before ICCS was back in the 80's
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Valued Member
Canada
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My collection consists primarily of high grade mint-state coins. In my experience, ICCS graded coins are NOT graded to a stricter standard than PCGS in the high mint-state realm. If you take an ICCS MS 66 coin, and send it to PCGS, expecting it to upgrade, you'll be wrong more times than you're right. I've learned this the hard way, with several high value coins. In fact, a case study that illustrates this point is to look at the Belzberg auction catalog, and see how each coin fared...since the coins were initially graded by ICCS, and then submitted to PCGS just prior to the auction. Another area where ICCS is deficient is in altered surfaces. I know for a fact that there are high grade coins that were body bagged for altered surfaces by PCGS, and then certified by ICCS with no comments. It seems that a lot of Canadian collectors keep drinking the Kool-aid without thinking about why they have absolute faith in one company despite it's obvious flaws.
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 Canada
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I concur with Yoda. There is a reason why the very finest Canadian coins known to exist, including those belonging to several members of this forum, are in PCGS holders. Stricter grading standards as well as coin protection, are important to me. Try dropping an ICCS holder, with a silver dollar in it, on a hard floor, then examine the inner myler insert afterwards. Those flips are not designed to protect larger coins...
However, I digress, because I also sell coins. The Canadian market prefers ICCS, so coins NOT in my collection, are certified by ICCS. For my personal collection, the best coins, and biggest error coins, are in PCGS holders.
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11/04/2012 9:50 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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People will use NGC and PCGS
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1581 Posts |
@SPP: Obviously a hard slab protects better than a flip. But, why do you need it in a TPG slab? |
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Canada
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"@SPP: Obviously a hard slab protects better than a flip. But, why do you need it in a TPG slab?" I can't speak for SPP, but for myself, the reasons that I use TPG for my high-value coins are as follows: 1. to make sure I'm not buying a counterfeit, or altered coin. This was especially important to me when I was new to the hobby. 2. To make it easy for my family to disperse my collection when I'm gone. I'd hate for them to be offered AU prices for a solo finest MS 67 coin, for example. 3. For protection of the coin. 4. To eliminate some of the debate when arranging trades with fellow collectors. 5. To make it possible to purchase coins sight unseen, which I sometimes have to do based on living in a rural area. |
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