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I do not think your coin is a DDO. 1982 is known for the thicker lettering. John1  |
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Very nice!  |
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Pillar of the Community
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Not looking like a match to VV DDO-003. While the E is very similar, in looking at the "R, S, T" in TRUST,
your coin doesn't have the thickness on the upper parts of the letters to be a match. IMO.
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Shadows on my images must be interfering with the E. For comparison, I tried finding some high-quality images online but when the light is from above it is hard to see the gaps on the E. Take a look at the vertical leg of the "L" on LIBERTY which is much thicker than the base of the "L". The bottom of the "U" on TRUST is thicker than the sides. L,I,B are significantly thicker than normal.  Hopefully these images with markers show the separation on the bars of the E better. My apologies in advance if they don't show what I'm seeing in hand.  Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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Edited by Petespockets55
09/03/2024 12:41 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Nice find. Errers and Varietys.
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Na, not seeing it, looked for ages doesn't add up
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Not a match to my eyes either. Thickness just isn't the same and the only die scratches that seem remotely close to the ones listed for 1DO-001 are the ones around the E in WE, the others just clearly don't line up.
FWIW I think Wexler may have gotten it wrong on some of the ones he listed, some just look like the normal Large Date thickness to me. Same with 1DO-004, though the separation on WE is interesting. Maybe a doubled master die for the large dates can account for the uneven lettering that seems to be normal for the design?
Edited by Tanman2001
09/03/2024 1:57 pm
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This is a difficult one to see (or not see) (I don't see it)
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Sorry, so much of this DD stuff seems very obscure and meaningless. |
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The turned up legs in the E in WE say everything, in my opinion.
-makecents-
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-makecents-, So, you are saying that Petespockets55 coin is a DDO? John1 |
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I want to thank everyone that has taken the time to reply even if they don't agree about this coin. I mean this because this is how we all learn and, hopefully, get better, myself especially. I obviously haven't done a good job with the images and describing why I came to the conclusion I did. While I agree there certainly could be Master Die doubling for the year there is no question in my mind about this coin being a DDO and pretty confident of the # because of the die scratches. (I wish I knew how to do an overlay.) BTW_-My experience trying to ID varieties has opened my eyes to the fact that the variety sites don't have unlimited resources or patience to be able to show images of every marker, in every die state, and every die stage. I'm not telling you guys anything you don't already know but all we can do when we find a hard to ID variety is look harder, and from more angles utilizing the available light for markers that may be hiding due to polishing or die use. Later die states can be a bear to see corresponding markers. We don't know how many times a die may have been serviced and polished, even during the same die state. With that being said, I'll try a couple more images to hopefully show the markers better. Let me know if I succeed. Thanks in advance. Either way, my feeling won't be hurt. (I'm in construction so I've only got one. LOL) Here are the die scratches @ TR of TRUST using the image from CC that shows additional things I'm seeing and my image. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Coppercoins shows die scratches going from the middle of the right side of the T past the base of the "R" and a die scratch from the top of the "S" to the last "T". (With my images I tried to maximize the lighting and angles to show additional die scratches)   Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
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Here is my Two Cents  Look at the top of the T's in the CC pics...see how they are thicker at the tops? The U as well is thicker at the bottom. Your coin does not have the thickness. As a general rule,you need to find the DDO first and then match markers. I still do not think you coin is a DDO,but I am wrong about 15% to 20% of the time so take what I say with a grain of salt  . John1 |
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Looks good to me. But I hate the elf shoe E. But it don't lie. |
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Last time to visit this one but evidently, I didn't provide convincing images on some of the markers or showing the thickness. (I was trying to contain the # of images.) If these couple of images still don't work my apologies. A simple yes or no might be helpful to let me know if I've succeeded. Quote:As a general rule,you need to find the DDO first and then match markers. I agree completely and that's just what I did, I confirmed the thickness for a class 6 DDO. Then I went looking for markers, which were elusive, but I was still able to find some of them. We all know die maintenance and polishing can eliminate some of the markers. The markers closest to the devices (letters) generally seem to fair the best since the technicians at the mint didn't want to "eliminate" the devices by over polishing that area. Here are the images. First is CC image of TR where I've added blue lines showing the general thickness of the letters. (The thickness isn't as strong as some Class 6 doubling.)  Here is the original CC image of TR with what appears to be the leg of the first "T" being tapered (wider at the base). I've highlighted the tapered effect with green lines.  Here is my coin showing the same effects that I've pointed out on the CC images.  (The base of the "U" is a little thicker than the uprights.) These images should be considered in conjunction with the images I've already provided showing the corresponding die scratch markers that do match the CC images. ps. I use "Paint" editing program which only allows me to rotate an image in 90 degree increments, but I tried to get my comparison images as close as possible to CC images. Thanks again for all the input and I'll try to continue to improve my images and descriptions. PP55 Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
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