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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: If PCGS bit the dust, nobody will even remember that name in 30 years. Really? PCGS has graded 45+ million coins over the years. Those coins will continue to be bought and sold for years to come.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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It was a touch of hyperbole, but given the absurd price for the slab, it seemed warranted. Think of all the truly innovative companies that produced world-changing inventions and later went defunct. They fade quickly from memory. You might run across artifacts from them, but I don't think that will provoke anything beyond faint recognition from people.
For example, would someone pay $100,000 for the first Blackberry? That company was huge, and hugely innovative. It hasn't even been gone 20 years, and I doubt that people would remember it. And that product helped to kick off the cellular revolution. It was way more potent in the global zeitgeist than enclosing vintage coins in plastic holders with a quality and authenticity certification.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: For example, would someone pay $100,000 for the first Blackberry? Never underestimate the stupidity of spendthrift billionaires. 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
19134 Posts |
There's something alluring about (really) early PCGS holders...
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
19134 Posts |
For fun, check the going prices for AMC Gremlins in excellent condition...
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Valued Member
Latvia
97 Posts |
IMHO, the vast majority of people who collect coins in slabs are actually collecting the grade numbers, not the coins themselves. For example, one person "collected" consecutive grade numbers of the same coin. Personally, I call this "near-numismatic masturbation. 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4589 Posts |
Called a grading set and done right it's a great way to learn the subtle differences a specific grading company is looking for.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Valued Member
Latvia
97 Posts |
I disagree.
This person wasn't interested in studying anything; he was just collecting "numbers."
Grading is a subjective process. Today I might be in a good mood and give a higher grade, but yesterday I argued with my wife and gave a lower one. There are thousands of stories and discussions online about "unfair grading." Almost everyone has probably encountered this. I witnessed a coin gain two points simply by being washed with soap. Two points, not one, a two! With a uniform approach to each coin, this is impossible. I emphasize: grading as a whole isn't numismatics; it's a business with subjective assessments.
All materials with photos or descriptions are available on the grading companies' websites. If I'm not mistaken, PCGS even has YouTube videos showing grading examples. To study the "subtle differences" (which even graders change from case to case), it's not necessary to collect every "number" of the same coin.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4589 Posts |
You're wrong, but you do you.
I said done right. That means you need to look at each candidate coin and make sure it's appropriate for the grade, not just the number on the slab.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Valued Member
Latvia
97 Posts |
I would really like to be wrong, but the fact remains: all grades are subjective. And there's proof of this, even if you just compare PCGS and NGC. You didn't understand me — what you're saying would work if the grading were done objectively by a robot, counting all the scratches, etc. But since it's all done by people, the grading is often subjective. That's why your "proper approach" doesn't work. It's that simple. 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
6483 Posts |
One of the criteria on mint state silver coins is whether it has pleasing toning. There are many obvious cases where a coin with MS64 dings is given a gem MS66 just for having "aesthetic" rainbow colors. That is just pure subjectivity, a Hot or Not for silver coins played for money. I don't think you'd learn anything from comparing those slabs except "that particular grader really likes rainbows and doesn't care much about dings in the fields".
As a MS63/65/67, maybe it would have some merit. But the fine granularity point differences seem completely arbitrary, as Earle has commented many times.
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Valued Member
Latvia
97 Posts |
That's what I'm talking about. I agree 100%. By the way, the coin I mentioned earlier was bronze, not silver, and after being washed, it was given an MS65, whereas before it was MS63.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: I said done right. That means you need to look at each candidate coin and make sure it's appropriate for the grade, not just the number on the slab. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
745 Posts |
I consider myself one of the quirkiest coin collectors, so I never judge others.
Recently, I added a collection of slabs to my inventory, chosen entirely based on their label styles.
Edited by Boba Debt 08/25/2025 01:30 am
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: I consider myself one of the quirkiest coin collectors, so I never judge others.  Quote: Recently, I added a collection of slabs to my inventory, chosen entirely based on their label styles. Very nice! 
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