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Awesome 120 Grana!  Keep 'em coming!  By the way, for both these coins the ruler is Ferdinand IV, probably a typo in your messages!  |
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Test cuts on the obverse (I missed those from the online picture I bought it from), These are not test cuts. They are file marks to adjust the weight of the coin into the correct range, also called "adjustment marks." Part of the minting process, so there is no adverse effect on the grade. Quote:
By the way, for both these coins the ruler is Ferdinand IV, probably a typo Yes and no. This guy was King Ferdinand IV of Naples (that's the yes part) but also King Ferdinand III of Sicily at this point in time, and later was King Ferdinand I of the Two Sicilies 1816-1825. Take your pick  . I've got coins over about 650 years of (pre-)Italian history, too. In the 1790s I 've got a couple of coins of the Duchy of Parma and Piacenza that were ruled by Ferdinand's cousin, who (confusingly) was Duke Ferdinand I of Parma. There were WAAAAYYY too many Ferdinands in 17th-18th c. European history. Edited by tdziemia
11/29/2025 4:03 pm
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This guy was King Ferdinand IV of Naples (that's the yes part) but also King Ferdinand III of Sicily at this point in time, and later was King Ferdinand I of the Two Sicilies 1816-1825. Thanks for pointing this out tdziemia! Indeed! I believe these two coins are catalogued under the Kingdom of Naples (I guess because they bear Ferdinand IV on the observe?). Though indeed he was king of both Naples and Sicily at that time so PCGS/NGC have that on the label. Probably correct to either call him IV or III for coins between 1796-1798. Indeed though, the history of the pre-unitary states of Italy is nuts! |
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I meant to edit out the test cuts. I noticed that after I wrote this paragraph, thank you, you got to that point faster than I could get back and change it!
Thanks!
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11/30/2025 03:33 am
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My 1790s contribution is this 1793 20 soldi form the Duchy of Parma and Piacenza struck under Duke Ferdinand I. Obv: FERD I H I D G PAR PL VAST D (Ferdinand I, Infante of Spain and by God's grace Duke of Parma, Piacenza and Guastalla) Rev: S THOMAS APOST PAR PROT (Saint Thomas the Apostle, Protector of Parma)   The Duchy of Parma was created in 1545 by Pope Paul III from land that had been won in battle from the Duchy of Milan in 1512 by a predecessor, Pope Julius II ("The Warrior Pope"). Pope Paul gave the duchy to his illegitimate son, Pier Luigi Farnese. The duchy grew in size, and eventually passed to the Bourbons in 1731 when Antonio Farnese died without a legitimate heir. Ferdinand was the third Bourbom ruler. |
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Very nice! Have a few Soldi's too! Yours are better... Didn't have a budget for that series Nonetheless, very nice! Here is one of my first Granas. It is a 1786 120 Grana (Big Coin like the last example posted) It again features my controversial king, who was effective in ways and ineffective in others. Overall, I love the time period, more than the King per se. This is a circulated example and as the years go back, the grades will lower. I cannot afford MS examples pre 1790 at the moment. I plan to buy more circulated as that is what is affordable and it has so much history as it was touched by so many hands!     The 1786 120 Grana coin from Italy features a detailed portrait of King Ferdinand, who reigned during that period. The obverse side displays a finely engraved bust of Ferdinand in profile, facing right. The portrait captures his regal features, with a prominent nose, detailed facial features, and a laurel wreath or crown adorning his head, symbolizing his royal authority. Surrounding the portrait are inscriptions with the king's name and titles, often in Latin or Italian, along with the year 1786. The reverse side typically features the coat of arms or a national emblem, accompanied by decorative elements such as floral motifs, scrollwork, or a crown. The coin's edge may be inscribed with additional details or be plain, depending on the minting style. Made of silver, the coin measures approximately a specific diameter (commonly around 40-50mm) and has a weight consistent with its denomination, reflecting the craftsmanship and minting standards of late 18th-century Italy. Its intricate design and historical significance make it a prized piece for collectors and enthusiasts. Edited by newtraffic2
11/30/2025 03:35 am
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United States
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I have a few other threads to make. Another one soon with my Beauiful italian medieval era coin collection. It's a short starter set, but the coins will definitely impress. Grossos mainly. 1798 20 Grana Low Grade VG. This coin inspired me to get the 20 Grana in MS63.   Edited by newtraffic2
11/29/2025 10:52 pm
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The 1790 P CC coin from the Italian States, specifically the Kingdom of Naples under King Ferdinando IV, is a bronze coin with significant historical value. It represents a small denomination of 1 Grano. On the obverse, the coin features a finely engraved profile portrait of King Ferdinando IV, facing right. His depiction includes detailed facial features, a crown or royal headgear, and regal attire, emphasizing his royal authority. The surrounding inscriptions typically include his name and titles, such as "FERDINANDO IV" and the year "1790." The reverse side usually displays the coat of arms of the Kingdom of Naples or a symbolic emblem associated with the monarchy, often accompanied by decorative elements like floral motifs, scrollwork, or a crown. The mintmark "P CC" indicates the specific mint where the coin was produced. Made of bronze, this coin is smaller in size, approximately 20-25mm in diameter, and lighter than silver coins. Its detailed design and historical context make it a valuable collectible, showcasing the craftsmanship and royal symbolism of late 18th-century Naples.   |
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United States
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The 1799 Italy 6 Tornesi coin featuring King Ferdinando IV is a historic piece from the Kingdom of Sicily and Naples. This coin was part of the small denomination currency used during that period. On the obverse, the coin displays a detailed portrait of King Ferdinando IV, facing right. His depiction captures his regal presence, with finely engraved facial features, a crown, and royal attire. Around the portrait, there are inscriptions with his name and titles, such as "FERDINANDO IV" and the year "1799." The reverse typically features the coat of arms or a symbol representing the Kingdom of Sicily/Naples, often surrounded by decorative motifs like floral designs or scrollwork. The coin's inscription and design reflect the monarchy's authority and the coin's official status. Made of bronze, the coin is relatively small, likely around 20-25mm in diameter, and weighs proportionally to its denomination. Its historical significance, detailed craftsmanship, and connection to Ferdinand IV of Sicily and Naples make it a notable collectible for numismatists and history enthusiasts.   Edited by newtraffic2
11/30/2025 11:58 am
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The 1797 Italian States Naples 8 Tornesi coin featuring King Ferdinando IV is a small denomination silver coin from the Kingdom of Naples. On the obverse, the coin displays a finely detailed profile portrait of King Ferdinando IV, facing right. His depiction includes his facial features, a crown or royal headgear, and attire befitting his royal status. Surrounding the portrait are inscriptions with his name and titles, such as "FERDINANDO IV." The reverse features the coat of arms of the Kingdom of Naples, often accompanied by decorative elements like floral motifs, scrollwork, or a crown. The inscription on this side typically includes the denomination "8 TORNESI" and the year "1797." Made of silver, this coin is relatively small, approximately 20-25mm in diameter, and weighs accordingly. Its detailed design, historical significance, and connection to Ferdinando IV make it a valuable collectible for numismatists and history enthusiasts interested in late 18th-century Italian coinage.   |
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United States
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The 1753 120 Italian Grana coin featuring King Carlos III is a historic piece from the period of Spanish rule over parts of Italy, including the Kingdom of Naples and Sicily. This coin was a high-denomination silver piece. On the obverse, the coin displays a detailed portrait of King Carlos III, facing right. His depiction includes his facial features, crown, and regal attire, capturing his royal dignity. Surrounding the portrait are inscriptions with his name and titles, such as "CAROLUS III" and the year "1753." The reverse side typically features the coat of arms or a royal emblem representing the Spanish monarchy, often decorated with ornate details like shields, floral motifs, or crowns. The denomination "120 Grana" is inscribed clearly, indicating its value. Made of silver, the coin measures approximately 40-50mm in diameter and displays good preservation for its age, classified as VG (Very Good). Its historical significance, craftsmanship, and association with Carlos III make it a prized piece for collectors and enthusiasts of 18th-century Italian and Spanish history.   Here is a somewhat unrelated bonus, as I won't do a thread on this particular coin. Speaking of a Tari / 20 Grana here is the one I have. Low grade:   This will conclude the 1750's - 1790's portion. It is not a large collection, however it very distinctly represents the King in power and the time period I wished to hold. These coins were not cheap, nor easy to acquire and I will carry them to the grave. Others I will sell off, these, I will keep. The floor, is yours Edited by newtraffic2
11/29/2025 11:19 pm
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@joe_77, instinctively, I wanted to refer to his last/latest title as it is most current prior to his death
This was a great thread to make. I wish to see a lot of posts and contributions, and my favorite: photos of your coins!
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11/30/2025 02:07 am
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Italy
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An awesome gallery of coins newtraffic2, tdziemia! Thanks for sharing. I'll make sure to add my Naples/Sicily coins first time I dig them out of storage   |
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Great thread with information and interesting items.
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An awesome gallery of coins newtraffic2, tdziemia! Thanks for sharing.  |
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