1795 Birmingham? 1-Penny "Industry Sure Has It's Rewards"

Its without doubt a good snag at 20c , I would bet that the label was correct, we have to assume so initially.
Its late now but I promise ill look into this tomorrow , gnite

Yep , Britain made these during times of small change shortage just as the US did during the civil war for the same reason.

You are very welcome , I have a bit of a do to attend this afternoon , I wont stay long.When I get back we'll track down your Conder

Good evening , you know..ive been kinda silly , what we need to do is get your picture over into the tokens forum or ID forum.It didnt dawn on me til now we are in the UK section.
What I've found out so far is it is almost certainly a Birmingham Token,99.9 positive.
Ive found another example of a token bearing the same crest but no Britannia.



If we go along with other peoples tagging that this is a Birmingham token then yours is too which tallys with the original sale.
So it is likely to be Birmingham.If I could find a coat of arms for Birmingham that looked even vaguely like that one id say its Birmingham.




Im thinking when they say Birmingham..maybe they dont mean the city..many Earls and Lords had conders struck in their name too.
Ill find that one yet,we really should post your pic in the tokens forum though , I got a lot of help in there , lots of experts , I'm just a keen novice.

We know its Birmingham for sure now , we can date it for sure.We know its a conder for sure,just havnt seen another with that particular design.With Britania you would think..ok thats going to be the most commen one , I've yet to find it and I've looked at hundreds of tokens in the last 24 hours on various sites.
Plenty of Birmingham tokens , just not that one.

The Token forum will get you some hits for sure.

This is a Conder Token as follows:

Warwickshire -- Birmingham DH 58
Dalton & Hamer (DH)
Obverse: Shield Bearing four hedgehogs, crest a hedgehog
Industry Has It's Sure Reward.
Reverse: Britannia seated
Rule Britannia
Edge: Payable in London, and engrailed

This token is listed as "Rare" in "The Provincial Token-Coinage of the 18th Century by Dalton & Hamer 1910 -- 1918
Davissons Ltd. 1990

Wonderful find!

Glad to help. Ironically, I don't regularly visit this forum. I found this thread because of its brief (very, very brief) visit to the Token Forum :-)

ok, finally, I don't know the Dalton and Hamer book series at all......what do they usually mean by "rare" when it comes to mintage, price, etc. ?....and can anyone recommend a decent book for conder tokens, or is the Dalton and Hamer series the main guide in the "conder-token" community?

Hm, where is my posts?