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For Denver in 1956, that's actually normal. The 1956 Denver coins have a fairly wild spectrum of mm placement. Remember, this is the date with three completely separated mint marks, two with the primary D above a secondary D fully separated to the south (WRPM-008 and WRPM-018) and another with the primary D completely separated NW of the primary D (WRPM-023). The last coin has the secondary D punched completely on top of the tail of the 9. It was not Denver's finest moment.  EDIT: On the other hand, Denver succeeded in minting over one billion 1956-D cents. Is that the first world mint to strike a billion of one type of coin in a year? Edited by fortcollins
04/26/2026 5:35 pm
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I agree with Dearborn about the lower part of the 9 being affected by punching the MM so close. Displaced metal probably pushed into the tail of the 9 on the die. Quote:
Is that the first world mint to strike a billion of one type of coin in a year? I wondered about which year the US mint produced a billion coins of one denomination at one of the mints and I believe it happened in 1941 @ Philly. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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It's kind of odd, it looks in between ODV-018 and ODV-019. Yours looks to be a later die stage and the overall thickness of the 9 is fatter except for the tail, which maybe was polished. I think it should be ODV-019 but not sure....  -makecents-
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Interesting conversation, yes.
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Thanks for the conversation here gang! I've made a collage of 56D's which I believe shows the MM punch is indeed altering the devise design. -The MM furthest away shows no flattening of the outside curve of the lower 9. -The closer MM shows a flattening of the outside curve of the lower 9. -The closest MM shows a bending inward of the outside curve of the lower 9.  "Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978 |
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I like the comparison images.
Here-s a possible related condition. I've noticed that on some years the MM has an incuse & irregular depression around it. I've come to believe these depressions are the result of residual metal being displaced when applying the MM (by hand) and not being removed by polishing the die face.
Does anyone have any input or evidence one way or the other they could share?
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Greg, I don't know if you are understanding what I am saying. With the new pics you have done, I feel like we are seeing two different date types, see what you think with your marked up pics. The 018 has a pointed tail, the 019 has a squared off tail and the upper part of the curve is turned slightly inward. What is odd, the squared off area showing in the VV pic does not show on yours. Could the 56 have two different date types and possibly even a third, the ODV-018 without the squared off area around the upper loop? Odd this this would have not been caught before now. What is odd though, the first and last examples of yours, the upper curve looks to be the same and the lower does not seem to match. LINK to obverse types and changes. http://varietyvista.com/01a%20LC%20...arieties.htm -makecents-
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the MM has an incuse & irregular depression around it. So a damaged punch, on the outside? -makecents-
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thanks makecents for the comparisons of the obverse dies, but the 2 you labeled as ODV-018 look different from each other. how can that be?
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Thanks Jon, yes I do see what your talking about. Before I posted this I tried looking up the design varieties and wasn't able to see the date for OBV-020, which this should be, so I didn't want to comment. Looking through the dates on the DDO's on VV it looks like there are indeed two different date designs. |
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thanks makecents for the comparisons of the obverse dies, but the 2 you labeled as ODV-018 look different from each other. how can that be? That was part of my observation.  Quote:
What is odd though, the first and last examples of yours, the upper curve looks to be the same and the lower does not seem to match. -makecents-
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OBV-020, which this should be Because there was no mention of date change I assumed it reverted back to 019. You know what assuming gets you though.  -makecents-
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So a damaged punch, on the outside? Nope. When the MM is applied to the die face, where does the displaced metal go? If it "pops" up above the face of the die, it would need to be removed by die abrasion/polishing or there would be an incuse area on the die. (But if the MM was close to the 9 in the date, the metal could be pushed toward/into the 9, altering it slightly.. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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When the MM is applied to the die face, where does the displaced metal go? Gotcha, that makes sense. I do not think it would turn the tip of the 9 square though, as I am trying to figure out. -makecents-
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