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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It can happen, but it takes a lot of work and time. If you want to sell coins for a living, there is nothing wrong with that at all. Think about this though. If we older guys all knew an easy fast way to get rich on coins, we would be out on our yachts instead of having fun with other coin collectors in here. Yeah we buy and sell, but this forum is more about the hobby and having some fun and helping each other learn.
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Moderator
 United States
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Duplicate Post RemovedQuote: I am new to the coin collecting community and people looking for profit will kill the joy of the hobbie and without new people the sport will DIE. Tell me if I am wrong! (Corey's post from duplicate post) Do you look at baseball or basketball any differently as a "sport" that thrives on the love of the game to make billions each year? If it's considered "wrong" to buy coins as an investment to resell for profit then wouldn't you be feeding it by buying from sellers online and in stores? Quote: I was told that discussing this is taboo in an open forum Not exactly "taboo" but some frown upon it like discussing sniping programs. One thing I used to do back when I had money was to buy large collections on ebay of odd assortments. Most of the time it was improperly listed or misspelled stuff. I got lucky with cool deals and then resold most of the items individually. Got some cool coins for free and made a decent profit to go out and do it again. Not sure about if there are any secret dealer clubs for buying coins but you can get into buying Large bulk lots at cheaper prices
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New Member
United States
17 Posts |
Hey littlelouie, a lot of good advice here and seasoned vets sort to speak. One thing you might consider is this, learn to grade a series. The easiest way to make a buck is to know what you are looking at. If joe seller thinks his coin is MS61 and you know it is MS64 or65, you buy at or below MS61 and sell it at MS64 or 65. The trick is to know your series, this takes time but in the scenario you are describing you appear to have it. Good luck and happy hunting.
Also Please Please consider this if you attempt this, you could make or break yourself quickly. In other words if what you thought was a MS65 is in actuality a cleaned coin that you bought at MS61, you are going to take a bath. It is a fast hard lesson.Do your homework first then, commit to your plan.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
14454 Posts |
in the scenario above if you bought the coin at 61 and you think it is a 65 you could build a nice following as selling the coin at a PQ-64 instead of a 65, you would make money and the customer would be happy as well. There is no real easy way to make a living off of coins and it takes a good amount of time and knowledge to even break even most of the time, but it is not impossible. It is just like everything else, buy what you know and buy low and sell high. It sounds good on paper but allot of good people have tried it and failed but others have done it very successfully, usually those that make a really good living started early and have allot of knowledge and usually deal in high grade coins, they had quite a bit of money to start (sometimes in the millions) and it wasn't money they would need anytime soon so they could buy and keep it till it sold
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Valued Member
United States
187 Posts |
garage sales, estate sales, flea markets!
great places to coins on the cheap an then resale!
watch out for fakes
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2541 Posts |
I'd be lying if I said I hadn't considered doing this myself, but as a couple of people have pointed out, fakes and cleaned coins are pretty series road bumps to overcome. I believe the ANA offers a course in Colorado about how to detect fakes. It's probably costly, but will more than pay for itself if you decide to become a dealer! I'm sure a lot of fraudsters target newer dealers.
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New Member
 United States
25 Posts |
Thankyou all for your advice.All the kind words will stay with me for a long time! Continue to enjoy this great hobby of ours and God Bless all of you. I look forward to posting more topics in the future.
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New Member
United States
29 Posts |
My father bought a belt buckle made out of lightly saudered (intact) Mercury dimes, and a Peace dollar, also intact. He won't let me take it apart, but besides the (easily removabe) sauder, the dimes are in mint condition! He payed two dollars for it at a garage sale. VictoryBullion has it right, Garage sales can yield unbelievable finds. Bank rolls too! And wheezy, I know inheriting a small collection helped me. Not to make money, but just to get started. Going through my father's two small bags of wheat pennies, finding coins almost a century old (and a few over that!) was what got me started. It's been a year, and I still love this!
Edited by dorino 08/31/2009 12:12 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
5375 Posts |
I would agree, learn to grade certain series, then others. Maybe start by buying small time stuff off ebay (under $50 a pop) just to get used to things and not get ripped off (you may get burned once or twice, but not to the extreme). I actually followed this advice when I started ebay, and sure enough didn't really get burned much. The good deals took awhile, for awhile I was getting decent deals but nothing that great. Also, bid conservatively. Don't rely on stuff like the Red Book too much. Numismedia is decent, but can be a little high on common dates, and a little to very low on scarce dates. So, do that for awhile. Beware of subtle problems like cleaning or tooling, etc. Maybe spend $1000 or so doing this before you get into more serious ebay stuff. Make sure there is a return policy unless the price is ridiculously low. Beware of 'too good to be true offers' and really sensationalist sellers. There are some seriously good deals out there, but you will have to look (they're usually with smaller time sellers). If you don't want to do that, you can start going to garage sales and estate sales. This is what I plan to do soon, actually, after some experience on ebay. I just say that ebay is the easiest 'training route' since you don't have to travel anywhere if you're careful; it can be a really darn tough one if you get burned for $500. I don't know about garage sales, but with estate sales, if you want to buy in serious bulk, you should probably have a few thousand in capital. Maybe more. The more money you have, the more you can buy. Before you buy valuable stuff from there, learn to do it on ebay (being very very careful of course). Don't just buy real valuable coins without knowing what you're getting into, and avoid uncertified key dates that are often faked. Lastly, for real rare coins, auction services like teletrade and heritage are the most accurate estimate. Not greysheet, numismedia, and especially not PCGS price guide (avoid this).
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I will reveal my secret source of cheap coins for all to know but I will only do that because the rest of you won't be able to impinge on my supply I live three blocks from the only coin shop in the city of St. Louis, there are several others in the county area but Midwest Money is the only one I can walk to  The shop sponsors what is known as a "bid board", it is basically an informal auction held on Monday evenings. Bid boards are almost a relic of the past nowadays with B&M shops rapidly disappearing and many of the ones that are left no longer do bid boards but they are still out there. There are approximately 75 coins available each week with lots of low priced goodies and also sprinkled with a few high end items. Some recent high end examples would be an 1876CC Trade dollar, an 1889CC Morgan dollar, and there were a couple slabbed Quarter Eagles up last week but the vast majority of items have an ending bid under $50. The shop is the source for most coins on the bid board with members also being able to add four lots per week. Coins are attached to a lined card and placed on a peg board for 1-2 weeks with the ending date written on the card. Bid board members have a number and you write that number and appropriate bid on the card, the highest bid at 7pm on Monday is the winner. There is usually a crowd of 15-25 on bid board nights so the action can get fast and furious(and crowded) with pens flying. I can usually get stuff for less that Greysheet bid but the nicer material always brings good prices. With that said, this is not like "shooting fish in a barrel" for making money. Occasionally, I will miss a problem with a coin when I just happen to glance and bid at the last minute or I will get hit with auction fever and bid a bit too much. There have been a few coins I have sold here on the forum that I lost money on but it is usually a matter of only a few dollars. There is also the matter of taking proper photos and packaging the coins properly for mailing, both of those help to maximize your profits(and customer satisfaction) as well. The longer I do this, the better I get at it and the fewer mistakes I will make. I go there every Saturday to research the lots and I am usually there an hour or more. Then I go home and do a thorough pricing analysis and check on any potential variety cherrypicks. In the end, I spend about 3 or so hours every week so I can make good decisions on buying coins that can make me money. So, if you are looking for a cheap source of coins, do your homework- learn your coin series and how to accurately grade- and then find yourself a shop with a bid board 
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Valued Member
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1353 Posts |
LittleLuie, All of the above responses reflect the advice of experienced coin collectors.Heed their advice and you will have a fighting chance in succeeding;and a lifetime of enjoyment!
Edited by murty 08/31/2009 7:17 pm
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New Member
 United States
25 Posts |
Thankyou very much BioKemist6.I will defintely look into that possibility. Again thankyou al for your kind words.It started off kind of rough with the responses I received last night but the responses became very positive.Thankyou. I don't know how to explain it but I think I will be collecting and selling coins for the rest of my life.I have been collecting coins ever since I was a young child and love everything about it to this day!Thankyou again.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
8904 Posts |
LittleLuie:
Bottom line: There is no free lunch. There is no one place to buy cheap quality coins and resell them at a profit. If there was, many of us on this forum would all be living our dreams of working with coins every day and not have to continue our real jobs that provide us with the means by which to enjoy our hobby.
Sometimes that means we buy a coin for more than we should because we like it. And we know it's more than we would get if we resell it. It doesn't matter. It's what we want. Maybe it's that last open space in our album. Maybe the coin is just pretty and needs a home.
Occasionally one of us will find a great deal and get a great coin at a great price. Then, when the buyer shares his/her purchase on this Forum, all of us here can then rejoice for our friend who got a great deal and we're happy when a nice quality coin goes to someone who will appreciate and show it the respect it deserves.
I realize there is a need for people to buy coins and sell them for a profit. I'm just not into this hobby for profit. I knew that coming into it.
Every coin I have in my collection is because of extensive research, continual hard searching perseverence, and (VERY occasionally) good luck.
Like I said: There is no free lunch.
Coin collecting is very rewarding but most of us are not in it for the money and will never earn more than we spend on this hobby.
I say "Good Luck" to you and hope all turns out well for you in your coin gathering and selling business.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1571 Posts |
You have been given very good advice, and if I were to consider "wheeling, and dealing" in coins, that would be my first move. learn to grade, even if only one series. It will grow on you as you expand your coverage. Buying coins can provide you with a good supply of what is out there, from old, worn, damaged, holed, and even some BU, with early dates. From them you will learn what a "cleaned harshly", coin looks like, and steer clear of it! I am NOT a seller. I have bought a LOT of coins from sellers on ebay, and from members of different forums, "sight-unseen". I have, for the most part, gotten some very nice coins, which Iam very proud of. I also bought a roll of "culls, damages, bent, etc, just to see how bad it can get. There were three IHC's that the date could not be read, due to wear. There were likke they said, some damaged, bent holed, etc. I gave that seller top feedback! He deserved it. As they hav said, there are no free lunches! You will do a lot of leg-work, make a lot of mistakes, (and who doesn 't?), but you will learn quickly, and not make the same mistake, more than once! The old saying, "it takes money, to make money", is very true. You should have enough licquidity qhen you start, to cover FIVR YEARS operational expenses. You can 'get by", on less, but it will not be easy! Good luick in your operation, and I say, "GO FOR IT", it is what you say you want to do the rest of your life> Goosd luck! Dick
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