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Originally posted by SFDukie
If humidity is kept low, do you all think they're ok for long term storage? How often does one see spot toning from cardboard flecks? (I try to keep 'em off)
I've gotten away from 2x2s for the most part, using flips these days, but I still have a lot of wheat and other cents in 2x2s. And yes, some have developed spots over about 15 to 20 years. They're pretty low grade coins, so I haven't done anything about them. When I stapled, I used three and parallel to the edges, no angles. FWIW, if I get one in a 2x2, I have to break it out if I'm going to submit it to PCGS ("no staples" on the submission sheet) - it's a pain, espcially if it's an MS. There's always a danger than my fat clumsy fingers will slip and the MS-64 becomes an MS-60 or AU.  |
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First of all I think these kind of questions are great. We have a great gruop here and I've yet to see a question go unanswered. How do you feel about the self adhesive 2X2's? Mike [:p]
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Pillar of the Community
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I use 4 staples per 2x2, I dont care for the self adhesive type.
Rick
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I always use four staples and staple diagonally.
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Self adhesive 2X2s will not hold up over time as the glue weakens and finally gives up its job. I receive coins from Europe in self adhesive 2X2s and I learned within a year to staple them before putting them away as they always open on their own over time! It could be our climate as we go from one extreme to another and our humidity does the same here in Indiana. Actually one of our favorite sayings here is "If you don't like the weather just hang around 15 minutes and it will change"! Lot of folks think we are joking but it usually happens very quickly so we are pretty much prepared for anything.
SFDukie, I really watch shipping charges these days as I know I can ship just about any coin, first class, in a bubble mailer for around a $1.50. Insurance, if needed, would run around the same so anything over $3.00 for a single coin is nothing but a rip off. I have also found that most first class mail, especially over weekends, is just about as fast as priority mail so I definitely take the time of week into account before spending the extra for priortiy mail. Guess a bunch of folks (non-business) feel they need to be paid to put a coin in an envelope that they advertised to get rid of because they didn't want it anymore? Guess everyone will have to do like I do---don't bid on high shipping cost items and take the time to send them a polite email concerning their attempted rip off! But don't expect a polite reply!
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Originally posted by crystalk64
Self adhesive 2X2s will not hold up over time as the glue weakens and finally gives up its job. I receive coins from Europe in self adhesive 2X2s and I learned within a year to staple them before putting them away as they always open on their own over time! It could be our climate as we go from one extreme to another and our humidity does the same here in Indiana. Actually one of our favorite sayings here is "If you don't like the weather just hang around 15 minutes and it will change"! Lot of folks think we are joking but it usually happens very quickly so we are pretty much prepared for anything.
SFDukie, I really watch shipping charges these days as I know I can ship just about any coin, first class, in a bubble mailer for around a $1.50. Insurance, if needed, would run around the same so anything over $3.00 for a single coin is nothing but a rip off. I have also found that most first class mail, especially over weekends, is just about as fast as priority mail so I definitely take the time of week into account before spending the extra for priortiy mail. Guess a bunch of folks (non-business) feel they need to be paid to put a coin in an envelope that they advertised to get rid of because they didn't want it anymore? Guess everyone will have to do like I do---don't bid on high shipping cost items and take the time to send them a polite email concerning their attempted rip off! But don't expect a polite reply!
I have to agree with you on the shipping statement. However, as far as Priority goes, it's great for proof and mint sets as the boxes are the perfect size. I am very hesitant to ship a proof or mint set in a bubble mailer. Too much risk of the lens cracking no matter how many precautions you take. I also would recommend watching how much a seller who states combined shipping charges for additional coins. A seller who charges $2 for s/h may seem like a deal until you see that his big "sale" is only $1 each for additional coins won. Now, we're back into ripoff territory. Multiple coins (up to about 15) can still ship for under $3 (and that includes the charge for packing materials). |
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Shipping is one of those things that can easily be controlled. I know of many dealers who ship everything in bubble envelopes and some that only ship priority mail. I think that the decision should be based on the amount of the coin in question. For my "big" coins, only priority mail with insurance is used. If the customer is spending thousands of dollars, a few more bucks for shipping should not be an issue. Now for run of the mill coins, a small padded envelope is fine. I can ship anywhere in the country for $2.35 Most coins can be shipped in a standard envelope with a mailer for protection. This drops the rate to around 85 cents. Now speaking solely for myself, I have little desire to make money on shipping. Usually I lose a few cents. I make money buying coins. If you buy right, you can sell right and make money. I only deal with a few ebay sellers and they also try to make their money on the coins, not the shipping. My suggestion is using a seller or dealer who offers a wide range of options in mailing so that you can make your decision based on what you like. Standard mail should never be more than $1 and insurance and proof of delivery should be actual. |
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Originally posted by national dealer
Shipping is one of those things that can easily be controlled. I know of many dealers who ship everything in bubble envelopes and some that only ship priority mail. I think that the decision should be based on the amount of the coin in question. For my "big" coins, only priority mail with insurance is used. If the customer is spending thousands of dollars, a few more bucks for shipping should not be an issue. Now for run of the mill coins, a small padded envelope is fine. I can ship anywhere in the country for $2.35 Most coins can be shipped in a standard envelope with a mailer for protection. This drops the rate to around 85 cents.
Now speaking solely for myself, I have little desire to make money on shipping. Usually I lose a few cents. I make money buying coins. If you buy right, you can sell right and make money. I only deal with a few ebay sellers and they also try to make their money on the coins, not the shipping.
My suggestion is using a seller or dealer who offers a wide range of options in mailing so that you can make your decision based on what you like. Standard mail should never be more than $1 and insurance and proof of delivery should be actual.
While I agree with just about everything you said here, Standard mail (which to me is First Class) is perfectly reasonable at $2 (especially if the seller takes the time to always use new materials, reholder the coin, and will ship multiple coins for the same price.) The only reason we are able to not lose money on shipping is that the shipping charge is the same for a single coin or multiple single coin auctions. This means that, while we will lose money on orders of 10+ coins, we make a little bit to cover those losses on a single - for the record, on a single coin, after we take into account materials, we only make about .50. |
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In most cases, (not all) it depends on the seller and the starting point for shipping, I have and still do email the seller with this statement, since the shipping charges are being paid by me, I want my coins shipped in this manner, and I go on to basically dictate the service I want used,, I use this method very often in my dealings on ebay,Im of the mind set that shipping is my money and not up to the seller. Rick |
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Like most or all on the forum, I prefer not to make money off shipping; makes for a bad first impression. Most of my sales are for single slabbed coins. Postage is usually 83 cents for First Class, 55 cents for Confirmed Delivery (mandatory in my opinion; saves on legal fees and accusations), 14 cents for the self-stick cardboard Safe-T-Mailer, and (the biggest variable) maybe 60 cents for the bubble-padded 6"x9" envelope. I don't spend a lot of time shopping around for cheaper envelopes, but take whatever Walmart has on hand. A couple months ago when I decided to make Confirmed Delivery mandatory (for its stated purpose plus online tracking), I jacked up my shipping/handling rates to a flat rate $1.95. Insurance is extra and is by USPS rates. For multiple coin shipments, I have to guesstimate what the postage will be, but I have a little postage scale which reduces the guesswork. I also use shipping rates charged by a seller as an indicator of his integrity and greed. If s/he is charging $7.95 exclusive of insurance, then I know s/he is out to make a buck wherever s/he can and that his/her auction might also be suspect. Excessive shipping rates make for a bad image. Previously, I offered Confirmed Delivery as an option. Almost no buyers selected it and I was throwing it in anyway, so I included it as part of the shipping rate. Nobody has yet complained. |
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Fred, I can't remember if you accept Paypal or not, but without DC, Paypal will automatically award any dispute to the buyer.
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Getting back to the 2x2 question. I am a three crimped staple man. With the Right - Left- Bottom staple and the fold at the top I feel that my coins are secure.
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Originally posted by Susanlynn9
Fred, I can't remember if you accept Paypal or not, but without DC, Paypal will automatically award any dispute to the buyer.
I prefer PayPal due to my fulltime RVer lifestyle, so Confirmed Delivery works even more for my protection. Believe it or not, there are quite a few postal clerks who have no idea or a confused idea how CD works - they just sell them. Recently, I had a drone try to tell me that all I needed to do was insure a parcel in order to track it, that I didn't need CD. I don't normally like to tell others how to do their jobs, but I had to advise him that insured mail does not track online which is why I was buying CD, among other reasons. In addition to sending the buyer the CD tracking number right after I ship an item, I also track it myself. And once it shows up online as being delivered, I make a screen shot for my records. Can't be too careful these days; for 55 cents, it's an investment which could save thousands of bucks and an awful lot of heartburn. |
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I use 2-3 staples, but for most of my coins they are in sets or flips--and in other holders.
Speedy
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Originally posted by collect4fun
Getting back to the 2x2 question. I am a three crimped staple man. With the Right - Left- Bottom staple and the fold at the top I feel that my coins are secure.
Yes, getting back to the original thread (sri about the shipping sidetrack), I have 2x2s with coins in them that have been 3-stapled for more than 30 years and despite many thousands of miles of moves, storage under adverse temperature and humidity conditions (I have quite a few rusted staples), and occasional gentle fondling and some not-so-tender handling, I have never had a hinge failure. Your mileage may vary. I suppose the quality of the 2x2 also should be considered. |
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