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Hsn Shyster Says 2009 Is The Last Year For Satin Finish Set

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 Posted 01/06/2010  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list

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Well actually I don't TRUST either one of them.

Good point!

However, in this case HSN is clearly trying to move product by
spreading speculative rumors, and the Mint is not.

Would the Mint itself see an increase in 2009 Uncirculated Coin Set
sales if they themselves announced that the 2009 Set was to be the
'last' in Satin Finish?

Probably not... (but from the sentiments expressed here, collectors
would be really happy to be able to get a 2010 Uncirculated
'Standard-Finish' Coin Set!)
Edited by DNA
01/06/2010 8:11 pm
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 Posted 01/07/2010  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Would the Mint itself see an increase in 2009 Uncirculated Coin Set sales if they themselves announced that the 2009 Set was to be the 'last' in Satin Finish?

Yes, I think they would, because a lot of collectors would lemming-like rush right out and order a bunch of the them BECAUSE they were the last ones. But in order to capitalize on that the mint would have had to have made that announcement publicly and early enough to get the orders in and the coins made. They didn't do that, which means that if they were discontinuing the satin finish they missed a marketing opportunity. The Mint doesn't miss to many of those.
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 Posted 01/08/2010  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list
Well, regardless of which way this turns out, and it looks like it "couldn't" be true, (which should just continually make the HSN guys go FURTHER DOWN in credibility....if they could go any lower !) I had my three 2009 Uncirculated Satin Finish Sets secured a long time ago.......I only wish they were NON-satin Sets ! ....

The thought that stands out for me......"the Mint missing a marketing opportunity".....IMHO, THAT is the best point here that leads me to believe this ISN'T going to happen and the Snake Oil Salesmen have struck again.

Anybody got some tar and a bunch of feathers ? .....

(edited Topic Heading appropiately now!)
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01/08/2010 01:19 am
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 Posted 01/08/2010  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
Of course, if the Mint had officially announced the demise of
Satin Finish Sets, HSN would have capitalized on that opportunity
even more than the Mint would have. (I was having some horrid visions
of the Sets being sold on HSN for $99.99 each if that happened! )

Of course, if the Mint flooded the market with extra Sets for all
the 'lemmings' (to take advantage of such a discontinuation), that
would likely hurt the Set's resale value in the long term...

We (on this forum) seem to be the "Official Satin Finish Haters Club",
so we wouldn't have been running out to grab extra 2009
Sets, but HSN sure as heck would have been hawking them to Grandma
and Grandpa to get extra Sets for the grandkids. And yes third
party hype does add to the 'lemming' effect that Conder spoke of....

The Mint did 'miss one' this year: The LP1 Cent Mint Rolls!
But notice how quickly they upped the quantities made for the other LP Mint rolls....
Then the Lincoln Dollars flew out so fast, that guaranteed
massive hype for the C&C Set. Someone at the Mint was kicking
themselves for setting aside only 50,000 Proofs for the C&C Set.
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 Posted 01/08/2010  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gothic Florin to your friends list
He is a shyster for sure, bordering on unethcial. Oh yes, the State Quarters are sooooo rare. There aren't rolls and rolls of uncirculated ones sitting around the place. My local coin shop doesn't still have a piles of them for a little over face value.
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 Posted 01/09/2010  02:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
I just bought another 2009 Mint Set today at the Denver Mint Gift Shop.

This time I got a high-grade Set on the first try!

It could be worse, eaglefoot:
Your girlfriend could be collecting Lincoln Cents and Half-Dollars.
She could be casting covetous eyes at the 95% Copper Cents in the
2009 Mint Set sitting on your computer desk, then finally she chops
up that Set with scissors and absconds with the Cents and JFK's.
(and gives the Quarters to your daughter!)

Not to worry, I had two high-grade Sets locked away (now three!).
That's what I get for saying I had an "extra Set" on my desk....

Good news: one of our members got the 2009 P/D 5/10¢ coins for "hole fillers"
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 Posted 01/09/2010  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list

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She could be casting covetous eyes at the 95% Copper Cents in the
2009 Mint Set sitting on your computer desk, then finally she chops
up that Set with scissors and absconds with the Cents and JFK's.
(and gives the Quarters to your daughter!)






(I happen to have "my" third '09 Uncirc. Satin Set laying on my "coin station desk" too ! ..
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 Posted 01/09/2010  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
In the Set I had on my desk, most of the 8 Pres. Dollars had a few
small hairline scratch marks, so it wasn't a "high-grade" Set.

As you know, the only source for this year's 95% Copper P+D Cents (and
the Satin JFK's) is, you guessed it, the 2009 Mint Set. This is why I
like this Set's prospects, not because of HSN 'snake oil' rumors.

There were a massive number of 2009 Proof Sets broken up for the
Cents, and this likely applies for the 2009 Mint Sets (I can speak
from personal experience here!).

At the last big coin show I was at (Denver Coin Expo), I counted over
1,000 broken-out 2009 Proof Cent lenses that were for sale individually,
and numerous broken-out 2009 Satin Finish coins. One dealer was
selling Territorial Quarter folders filled with the Satin Finish P+D
Quarters. I also saw a dealer who had filled Jefferson nickel and
Roosevelt dime Dansco's, which had 2009 P+D Satin Finish coins in
place of the business strikes.

PS: She has a 5-gallon water jug ¾-full of common-date Wheats!
It's so heavy, I have to use my hand truck to move it...
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01/09/2010 5:59 pm
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 Posted 01/16/2010  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list
Again last night he's saying the same stuff throughout the entire length of the program !
He's saying that this is a "Congress Act" that has been passed and that there won't be any more "Satin Finish".
He isn't using the words "The US Mint has announced".

Good grief !......Has anybody checked any "Congressional news"

I have to say.....I'm still not 100% sure about what exactly is true or not here......
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 Posted 01/16/2010  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Neil to your friends list
This makes it the fourth occassion he's said "no more satins".

If your career depends on your credibility would you risk it to make a few bucks on one type of inexpensive coin? I could see him lying if they were in the hole on thousands of real expensive coins, and your TV show was closing down.

He's got to come back for many years to sell gazillions of other coins, there may be a fire, behind this smoke.
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 Posted 01/16/2010  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list

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He's got to come back for many years to hard-sell gazillions of other coins.

That's true, you know: 2010 is the last year of the Satin Finish Mint
Sets. And then 2011 will be the last year of the Satin Finish Mint
Sets. And don't forget: 2012 will be the last year of the Satin
Finish Mint Sets. For 2012, he'll say that the Mayans ended their
calendar system because they foresaw the end of the Satin Finish
Mint Sets .

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If your career depends on your credibility...

He works for HSN, he doesn't have to worry about that.
His job is to sell.

He could say that aliens landed their mothership on your roof last
night to take all of Earth's Satin Finish coins, and if that sold
tons of HSN's coins
, his bosses would be quite happy with him!

[PS: My girlfriend and the kids saw Mr. Snake Oil Man on HSN last
night, sadly I was out picking up the pizza for dinner and I missed
hearing his pitch....]
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01/16/2010 5:18 pm
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 Posted 01/16/2010  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Neil to your friends list

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He works for HSN, he doesn't have to worry about that.
His job is to sell.


I have never watched the show. Sounds like you have. So how many times has this particular individual lied about coins that you know of?
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 Posted 01/16/2010  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldGold to your friends list
I saw them selling NGC PF69UC ASEs for like $178 each for the common dates the other night. My wife will not even let me watch those shows anymore because I get too mad.
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 Posted 01/16/2010  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
Traditionally, it wasn't really "lying" going on on HSN, just massive
hype and ridiculous overpricing. It's literally like watching the
classic concept that people have of a "used car lot" (except that even
used car lots don't dare to be that obvious nowadays!).

You can always say that you've heard rumors from an unnamed source, but
when the HSN guy is referring to some non-existent 'act of Congress',
that's crossing the line....

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 Posted 01/17/2010  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdh157 to your friends list
Anything that is sold on HSN is overpriced and def not rare, from what I've seen. The mint has been producing so many special coins and commemoratives the past 15 yrs or so that they are in competition with the coin dealers. It's a big joke.
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