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 Posted 01/26/2010  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ichirensha to your friends list

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No, it really has nothing to do with the Star of David but it does have everything to do with the founding of the United States and the original 13 Colonies, i.e. 13 stars. The dollar bill reverse dates to 1935 but that design is the original Great Seal of the United States, it was created in 1782 so it certainly has nothing to do with Israel or Judaism.

Six-sided stars are found throughout US coinage- Classic Head to Braided Hair Half Cents and Large Cents; Trimes(major design feature); Shield and Liberty nickels; Draped Bust, Capped Bust, and pre-1860 Seated Liberty half dimes; Draped Bust, Capped Bust, and pre-1860 Seated Liberty dimes; 20 Cent piece; Draped Bust, Capped Bust, Seated Liberty, and Barber quarters; Flowing Hair, Draped Bust, Capped Bust, Liberty Seated, and Barber half dollars; Flowing Hair, Draped Bust, Gobrecht, Seated Liberty, Trade, and Morgan dollars. See a trend there? No one has ever accused a coin of carrying the Star of David so it is equally ridiculous to make that accusation of the One Dollar note.



Good post biokemist6...One only has to understand a little history about symbols to know that a "conspiracy" on our money is nonexistent.
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 Posted 01/27/2010  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schmidty to your friends list
Here is some more proof of a vast Jewish conspiracy:

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This one even has George Washington's bust on it!
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 Posted 01/27/2010  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add algol to your friends list
Our unconscious bias leads us to find patterns whether or not there are any patterns to be found.

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 Posted 01/27/2010  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
No one wants to agree with you about the conspiracy but they all know it is sort of true. Just don't want to admit that. For example if you look at the reverse of the dollar bill you see that Pyramid. This is forced on us by the Eyptions with the usage of Tana leaves boiled in water during the engraving process. That eye on top of the Pyramid? Put there by your wife and it has a tracking device in it so she can see where you spend all your, and hers, money. Notice all the Latin words on our money. Now it's the Romans that want us to remember how they beat the Eyptians. See all those signatures on the front. Just political payola. The more you pay, the more your signature appears.
So many things about our money that people just won't say. Eventually Kevin Trudo will have a book on all this.s
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 Posted 01/27/2010  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GFR3 to your friends list
I've always had an interest in "conspiracy theories" and have done my fair share of research on this one. Jordan Maxwell, cited above, is generally a decent source. The man has done countless hours of research on symbols and their meanings and the field is better off thanks to it. He does, in my opinion, sometimes "go to far" and looks a little to deeply into this things. This is one of them.

I haven't studied the Dollar Bill Theories as extensively as I have other theories (JFK, Pearl Harbor, Iraq, WWI etc) so some of what I type below may not be complete. If I'm missing something it is due to ignorance, not intention...

First I will tackle the Star of David. Like Biokemist pointed out, this star has been used on a lot of American coinage, and I'm willing to bet on a lot of other country's coins too. It is simply a nice looking star, simple and elegant at once. There is no way this has any relation to the contemporary Zionist State centering around Jerusalem. For one, the modern Zionist movement was simply not around during the times many of these coins were designed. Second, the movement by the 1930s (the time of the design of the dollar bill) was no where near as influential as it is today and would not have been capable of planting its symbol on the currency of the US. Third, FDR is a known anti-Semite (as were many of his contemporaries) who would never even dream of such "Jewishness" on the dollar bill. A Zionist connection seems pretty far fetched.

The incomplete pyramid is a brilliant symbol. Yes, the pyramids of Giza have often been used as Masonic symbols. Think of it for a second - what is the greatest stone masonry work ever accomplished? Why the pyramids of course! Though they have never claimed the work as one of their own, the symbol of the pyramids has become theirs. However, one need not look that far into it. The Great Seal (to which the pyramid image is on the reverse) was designed long before FDR by a man named William Barton in the 1780's. Barton has never been claimed by the Masons nor has he been credibly accused by non-Masons. If the pyramid is not Masonic, then what does it mean? It is still rather strange to see a pyramid on the very symbol of the U.S.
The pyramid is most likely symbolic of the "greatness" of America or, considering it is an incomplete pyramid, the potential greatness. A great monument of Man's past used to symbolize the hope and enthusiasm of Man's future...a most poetic vision if I've ever seen one!

The Eye in the keystone of the pyramid has a long history in the world of symbolism. The eastern Mediterranean world (think Greece, Turkey, etc) used this Eye as a way to ward of evil. I'm a little lacking in my information regarding the practice, but the eye represented the very concept of evil, hence "the evil eye". If one would wear the Eye as a piece of jewelry or on your clothing or paint it across the front door, evil would be chased away from you and yours. The practice is still used today - I have a glass bead painted with the Eye a friend of mine brought to me from a recent trip to Greece.
That said, in the times of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment of Western Europe, the Eye came to be used as a symbol for the Divine. A "he sees you when your sleeping, knows when your awake" sorta thing, as well as a dodge of the very practical question "what does God look like?" Masons were quick to adapt this meaning as it is a key believe in their system to recognize the existence of a higher power but not to pass judgment upon others' beliefs. By using a symbol like the Eye, there was no need to exclude any of the members who may have believed in the Christ, Allah, Yahweh, any of the Pagan gods, or the great Spaghetti Monster Himself.
The Eye ties in wonderfully with my incomplete pyramid theory. The foundation for greatness has been laid by Man (base of pyramid) but only with the help of God can our full potential be reached (the keystone). I'm not a religious man myself (far from it) but this image is simply beautiful and very powerful.

The Owl is my next tackle. I will say right from the start that I truly hate the owl. It creeps me out. The Owl's main purpose is for counter-counterfeiting purposes. It is very small, incredibly detailed, and hard to reproduce successfully. But why an Owl? Why not an eagle? Or a bear? Or a little picture of Josh Tatum?
Theories abound on this with one of the major ones being a reference to the Bohemian Grove cult, a group which worships a giant Owl and who's membership includes many politicians and powerful men. Weird (and interesting) as this cult is, FDR was not a member. I am not sure, though, when the Owl was placed on the bill. Does anyone know? Was it an original 1935 piece or added later? It could lend some more credibility to the theory if placed on by a member.
More simply and much more likely, the Owl is symbolic of wisdom.
You also get much talk of the symbolism of the Owl as an Orwellian Big Brother type device. Similar to talks of the All Seeing Eye, the Owl sees all and, being wisest amongst beasts, knows all. Not the intention I don't think, but it does fit nicely with the current state of the union, in my opinion at least.

Now, we come to the three Latin phrases.
"E Pluribus Unum" literally meaning "Out of Many One". Designed in 1776. 13 separate states (many) join together in union (one). Has been attributed to New World Order groups as the concept the same (many countries becomes one country). Point taken.
"Annuit Coeptis" literally meaning "He Approves Our Undertaking". Designed in 1782 ."He" = god and "our undertaking" = the Republic. Quite a common theme for governments to justify themselves through Divine Right, as silly and nonsensical as it may seem.
"Novus Ordo Seclorum" literally meaning "New Order of the Ages". Designed in 1782. The Republic is dreamed to be a new form of government that will sweep the world and change it, entering mankind into a New Order. Often translated as "New World Order" though the Latin word for "World" is "Mundi".
All three phrases have been attributed to the Roman poet, Virgil.

A Masonic design is possible. The Masons trace their origins back to ancient Jerusalem and the construction of the First Temple and often use the Star of David as a tribute to this fact (whether they actually build the Temple is a great debate but of little importance here). The Eye is used by Masons as a symbol for God and the Pyramid is a symbol of the greatness of the stonemasons of the past. The Owl has no connection as far as I can tell. Lastly, we have the number "13" which appears EVERYWHERE on the dollar bill. Traditionally, it is attributed to the 13 original States (not colonies but states; there were many more than 13 colonies despite what you've read in 5th grade history class). 13 steps on the pyramid, 13 letters in "E Pluribus Unum" and "Annuit Coeptis", 13 stars, 13 bars on the shield, 13 leaves, and 13 arrows. Could this all by a tribute to the 13 states? Short answer, YES! Long answer....

13 is an unlucky number in mainstream society. It is also a Masonic number that traces itself back to THE Friday 13th, October 13 1307. That was the day the Templar Knights, long considered the forerunner to the modern Masons, were wiped out by the French King and his allies. This is cited as proof the Masons are behind all this.

The 13 are all there, but a problem is encountered. To go through so much trouble hiding all these 13's why not replace "Novus Ordo Seclorum" with a phrase with 13 letters so to keep the symmetry? Why is it that there are 13 letters in "Annuit Coeptis" only if you separate the "oe" which, in Latin, are connected as one letter? If 13 is part of some mad conspiracy to rule the world, why did the US briefly abandon the 13 stripes in the flag and make the move to 15 when Kentucky and Vermont entered the Union? To many questions for this to have any significance other than the states theory.
Possible, but not as significant as some claim. The Masons are not as organized as many claim and the group has never attempted to seize power here, in France during the Revolution, or in any other time or place. Many of their members are powerful and their influence is far reaching but that does not mean they rule the world, and it certainly does not mean they would reveal themselves on a piece of paper called "a dollar bill".

Other money related conspiracies have been proven true however. The Hunt brothers hoarding of silver, the 1913 Liberty nickels, the establishment of the Federal Reserve (and their current practices depending on your political viewpoints), the very concept of Fascism as defined by Mussolini, and the counterfeiting of 1990 $100 dollar bills can all be labeled conspiracies involving currency. With so many real conspiracies out there, I suggest not looking to deeply into this one.
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 Posted 01/28/2010  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list
At the risk of sounding stupid......where's the owl?
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 Posted 01/28/2010  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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At the risk of sounding stupid......where's the owl?
Here is a previous post on the subject...

https://goccf.com/t/38252#312813
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 Posted 01/28/2010  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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and I'm willing to bet on a lot of other country's coins too.

That is true, and the "star of David" design appears on the coins of several countries that are predominantly Muslim.
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 Posted 01/28/2010  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laserpete to your friends list
It's all about the magi bones I tell ya !
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 Posted 01/28/2010  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Podoprigora to your friends list
just want to say that if there is any conspiracies in the world, and there are many, only a few know about them the rest are left to wonder and use their imagination.
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 Posted 01/28/2010  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list
I think that IMAGINATION is winning and leading the way on this topic,,and by the way, a fantastic breakdown of this subject GFR3....
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 Posted 01/28/2010  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GFR3 to your friends list

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That is true, and the "star of David" design appears on the coins of several countries that are predominantly Muslim.


So what you're saying is that the Muslims are in on this too?


Seriously though, that is interesting. Ironic in a way..

--gary


EDIT: aladinslamp, you wouldnt believe how long it took me to type all that hah
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 Posted 01/28/2010  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gawd0wns to your friends list
My Two Cents:

I am aware of the conspiracy theories, I used to love reading them as a kid. It made coin collecting so much more fun... I've grown up now and based on all of the arguments I've heard, and the evidence I've seen, I doubt any of these theories are realistic or credible. I don't think anyone should give more than Two Cents worth of consideration to these theories.
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 Posted 01/29/2010  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
All sort of interesting. I know there are many that collect currency since at every coin show there are dealers with paper money. And they know lots and lots about them. Actually I seldom look at what is on any of our bills. In fact when I first saw this topic I had to get a dollar bill just to see what people are talking about. Before this if you asked me what was on the reverse of a dollar bill I would have said I have no idea and could care less as long as I can spend them. Same with all currency. I have no idea what is one the reverse of any of our bills. Guess I should look but no reason to since I don't collect any of them, only spend them.
I go for coffee with a group of people I know occasionally. At the table I asked how many knew what the reverse of a dollar bill looked like. Out of 8 people, no one knew. They all had to look.
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 Posted 02/01/2010  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add randolphsky95 to your friends list
Gfr3 you are so smart and you are so right
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