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1917 Cent - Double Die Variety Or Not?

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 Posted 04/18/2010  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list
I don't think so, bobo. There appears to be be some minor Machine Doubling (MD) in the "U" in Trust. What you are seeing above or between the letters and the rim in Trust is Die Deterioration. It appears that this die is moving from MDS (mid die state) to late die state (LDS). What you see is the edges of the incused devises on the die starting to wear. The sharp edges are wearing down and developing a radius which presents as a shadow on the devise.
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 Posted 04/18/2010  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobo13 to your friends list
Thanks for the help and information...
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 Posted 04/18/2010  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list
I vote for Machine Doubling too. On a separate note, I wish everyone on ebay could take their pictures as good as you.
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 Posted 04/18/2010  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobo13 to your friends list

Thanks:)
I accept this, but 99% only, because on one website says about this coin that "Low grades may not show
signs of doubling due to wear. " and "Doubling can be seen primarily on the
date and IN GOD WE TRUST. ".
So maybe there are 1% probability to be scarce variety:)
I have new pics with magnifying glass:

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 Posted 04/18/2010  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list
here's a real definitive one (eh?)

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 Posted 04/18/2010  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
In that grade, a 1917 DDO-1 would be fairly obvious. you'd see doubling in the 9 and 7 for sure. Yours is a normal 1917.
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 Posted 04/19/2010  01:10 am  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list
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 Posted 04/19/2010  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobo13 to your friends list
Thanks for the help, I appreciate your experience, it seems really normal 1917. I hope next time I have good luck.
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 Posted 04/19/2010  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list
Bobo, just few comments.

1) Your coin is not a low grade coin.

2) On the 1917 DDO, the doubling appears on the right side of the letters. You have Machine Doubling on the left side of letters.

3) Nic pics! What kind of camera are you using?



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 Posted 04/19/2010  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobo13 to your friends list
It is "praktika dcz 5.5", 5.0 MPX, but this year maybe will buy "PRAKTICA DPIX 1100 Z" 10.0 MPX, it is 60 Euro new here.
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 Posted 04/19/2010  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list
Wow, you are getting pretty good, up-close detail with that little point-and-shoot camera.
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 Posted 04/19/2010  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobo13 to your friends list
steve199, it is not hard but need many pictures and 40-50 Wats lamp 5 to 10 sm from the coin, and makro regime. This picture is on one my interesting coin UK penny from 1887, the "I" left ov "V" is only 0.3-0.35 mm measure! The best picture after over 200-300 pics


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1917-Cent---Double-Die-Variety-Or-Not?









Anyone seen this error?
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 Posted 08/16/2017  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Not a DDO. I see MD and Die Deterioration Doubling on some of the letters. Keep searching. One day, you might be very lucky.
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Dwhulk23 I know you're are a new member, but please post on your own thread and not hijack someone else's. Please keep this in mind in the future. Just make sure you don't do it again.
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