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Valued Member
Canada
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You got me t_y. I was thinking modern coins. I rarely see SP coins that are not Elizabeth so I din't even think about them but ya, I'd take a George SP over MS for sure! Elizabeth, the other way around in most cases...
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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@t_y . I like the part of your post where you give your own opinion as a collector and advice on items tagged NUBU, but hinting that you know more about this and won't share it is worse than useless in my opinion.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
632 Posts |
Come to TOREX in June and between one pint and another I will tell you everything. In fact, everybody at the Hilton bar will be pleased to share their views on the issue (they are quite similar).
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I'm not going to get into this any more than necessary, because it gets ugly really fast, but in *theory*, the NBU grade is used to designate PL coins post-1976. There should never be a proof or mint state coin in an NBU holder, though maybe it has happened. TY, have you actually seen a proof in an NBU holder?
As much as I don't agree with HHB's sentiment that there is nothing worth collecting after 1967, it would sure be a lot less headache sometimes!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
632 Posts |
Yes, I saw. It is a 10c proof grade MS NUBU - the owner did not want to sell it to me
and I agree, this issue gets ugly very fast. enough said
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2408 Posts |
A lot of numismatic testosterone on the floor today. Good debate.
So how can I tell the difference between circulating MS-65 @ $5,000 and non-circulating MS-65 @ $400 ?
Can one possibly alter the appearance of the cheaper coin to look like the other one?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1733 Posts |
I'm not really mad at t_y , I'm just referring to useless in the same sense as watching a cliffhanger episode... all tease and no please...
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1051 Posts |
TY, what year was the coin, just out of curiosity?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
632 Posts |
Since I only collect twoonies, I only know coins from 1996 on. For 1996 coins on, it is easy to see the difference between a business strike and a proof-like: proof like coins are brilliant = they have reflective fields - easy to see even through slabs. The rim is well defined and rarely (if ever) there is even a hint of cameo (dies are not prepared for such effect). Business strikes are somewhat brilliant but don't have the reflective fields of the PL, the rim is irregular. In the business strike you have clear definition of the image of the queen tending to a quasi-cameo (dies are treated for such effect)
Rule of the thumb: look at the PL before buying a $5,000 MS and don't buy the wrapper, buy the coin.
The 10c proof, if I remember well, is 2006. I saw it on the hands of a collector at NUPHILEX November last year. The owner brought he coin to me because he thought it was undergraded - he did not noticed the proof designation.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
632 Posts |
Ugly,
On another discussion board this same issue already resulted in members abandoning the board while another, years ago, was asked to leave.
if you look around at the displays of a Canadian coin show, you will see that the floor is paved with ICCS holders - in other words - a LOT of $ is relying on the opinion of this company.
With that much $ at stake people gets ... lets say ... emotional
To close my participation on this issue I will say: I do not know serious and knowledgeable collector of Canadian coins that have his/her coins on ICCS holders.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1051 Posts |
CC, if you're talking about the large bust 25c, then yes absolutely you can tell the difference between a PL and a high MS coin, with ease. The soft mint bloom of the MS coin is quite a contrast to the flat, "cold", "black" surfaces of the coin from a set. I don't believe there is any way to "fake" natural business strike mint luster. Photo credit goes to a member here for the MS-64 on the right.  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1248 Posts |
Canadian Coins...
is there such a thing like a circulating MS65 ?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2408 Posts |
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is there such a thing like a circulating MS65 Kiddo, I meant business strike, e.g. meant for circulation. |
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New Member
Canada
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Guys, I'm looking for a 1973 CANADA 25 CENTS LARGE BUST for my collection of mules. I'm not into a rush so I look around... You all saw this one MS66 on ebay that stuck there for months and months. ( 300728240277) I understand that most of you here are resellers, but to your opinion, is this a good buy? I'm so so so confused now with the « MS », « MS Unc. Set Issue », « PL », « SP ». Don't this coin exist only in « PL » grade? |
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Pillar of the Community
  Canada
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The ebay coin you are looking at is from a PL set and way overpriced.If you're not in a rush keep looking. This coin exists in business strike (MS),in prooflike sets (PL),and in specimen sets (SP) "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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