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Lincoln Collectors - I'd Like Your Opinions

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 Posted 05/04/2010  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
I would go with the XF 09 S vdb. Maybe use the extra cash to pick up a 09 S or 14 D.

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 Posted 05/04/2010  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
Interesting. You guys are really making me think.

I don't think I would ever venture out on my own on something like this without consulting with you guys first - thank you for your valuable input.

A red one would stick out like a sore thumb, and I tend to agree with the airtite/slab analysis.

Sticking with the XF would be more consistent with my album and would also leave the possibility of the '14-D or '09-S. Hmmm.

I have seen the 4-way pictures for mintmarks on the '09-S VDB. If I were looking at raw coins, are there other diagnostics I could use to confirm authenticity? Were there only 4 dies for this coin?
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 Posted 05/04/2010  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimR to your friends list
Thad is right. I have been looking at 09-S VDB's and 14-D for a while now. A nice XF/AU 14-D is harder to find than there 09-S VDB counterparts.
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 Posted 05/05/2010  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smithnick0 to your friends list
i would go with a lower grade 09 svdb
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 Posted 05/05/2010  12:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list

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If I were looking at raw coins, are there other diagnostics I could use to confirm authenticity? Were there only 4 dies for this coin?


Yes, 4 mint mark positions. The S should have parallel serrifs, and a die gouge in the upper loop. The middle leg of the "B" on the "VDB" should be slanted(ie not parallel to the upper and lower leg).

With all this said, I would heavily heavily recommend only going with a certified piece.
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 Posted 05/05/2010  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gothic Florin to your friends list
I would save up and buy a PCGS or NGC MS 60+ coin. If you're going to spend the money on an XF or AU, why not spend the extra and get the higher grade? It's always going to have resale. I would however, look at plenty of different coins and be patient before you make your purchase. It's a cheesy line but it's true: buy the coin not the slab.
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 Posted 05/05/2010  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list

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But, I recently just landed a nice little bonus running for the roses.

Translated, folks, he was horsing around. I think...
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 Posted 05/06/2010  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list
I think you're going to pay a lot more for a certified MS+ coin than an XF/AU coin...a lot more....even as much as double depending how high up the MS grade the coin is.



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 Posted 05/06/2010  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smithnick0 to your friends list
im looking for one in good condition, lol
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 Posted 05/06/2010  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list

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Yes, 4 mint mark positions. The S should have parallel serrifs, and a die gouge in the upper loop.


I've seen the 4 pics of the mm location and have been studying their positions. Is there a die gouge on all of them? And I was wondering if there were any other diagnostics/markers besides the mm location and the slanted B crossbar.

I'm thinking about biting the bullet, saving a little more (well, a LOT more) and waiting for the F.U.N. show here in Tampa in January. Then maybe I will have saved enough to get both, the '09-S VDB and a '14-D! I just don't know if I can wait that long!

I know me, and there is NO WAY I will be able to go that long without buying SOMETHING!

Maybe I will kill a little time by completing my ASE collection, I only need a few from 2000+ to complete a PCGS MS69 set, including the variety. I keep getting sidetracked and thinking, aaahhh I can get those anytime.

I think afcop13 said it best: "Focus, focus, focus, focus".
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 Posted 05/06/2010  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb1877 to your friends list
In my opinion, a really nice 14-D above AU50 in grade is a lot more impressive than the 09-S VDB. High grade 14-d's are really tough to find.

I've never owned an 09-s vdb. I've always had a hard time plunking down that kind of dough for a coin that is not that rare. I suppose one of these days I'm just going to have to break down and buy one. It is the only coin I lack for a complete Lincoln (no varieties) collection.
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 Posted 05/09/2010  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinDan98 to your friends list
I just collect whatever I can get my hands on
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 Posted 05/10/2010  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list
Big thing is that you should get a coin with eye appeal.
They are not super rare, so the only one you'll have a chance
to recoup your investment on is a physically desireable specimen.
Find someone who is setting a price by grade, check out XFs, and
pick one with super eye appeal. Clean surfaces, ugly spot free,
and maybe even some toning that would be considered pretty.

This is my opinion. I don't have any high end coins like this, so
take it with a grain of salt. I just know that often times you can
find 2 coins that grade the same, but one will be 'ho-hum' while
the other can be a knock-out. I like eye-appeal over technical
grade myself.
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 Posted 05/10/2010  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list
I'm down to the big 4 in my collection (o9svdb,o9s,14d,31s) so hopefully I'll be in your shoes some day. Right now I'm looking for a o9s. The problem with the scarce and rare Lincolns is there are fakes out there, so I decided to go slabbed when(if) I do eventually look for the svdb. My advise is to at least buy from someone reputable but it looks like you know what your doing. Also I would be nervous about exposing a red coin of this value to the air so I think brown is the way to go if it's going in the album.
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 Posted 05/10/2010  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
Yeah, I'm really struggling with that. It seems like what I'm willing to pay for a brown one, for just another hundred or two, I can have a real purdy one!

I don't know what to do!

I can't put the pretty one in the album, but I can't leave that gaping hole there either!

So, I guess the route I'm leaning towards is split the money for some XF browns and try to get both the '14-D and the '09-S VDB.

Plus, a red one would make the '22 No D a real mega-monster!
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