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Rest in Peace
United States
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Your best source of Romans may be someone here. However, I have had extremely good results with oldcoinman on ebay. He does not hype his coins (no "Gold found" baloney), culls out the obvious damaged and junk coins, and offers them pretty much as-is. Nevertheless, I have found one billon (debased silver) Ottoman coin and two silver-washed (coated) coins in the cleaners I've purchased from him.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2889 Posts |
"I also agree that collecting ancient coinage is merely an extension of collecting "modern" coinage."
It's all a matter of perspective. I consider collecting modern coins to be an extention of collecting ancients. Indeed it's even known that there were collectors of ancient coins in ancient times.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2838 Posts |
Sean1011, a good place to start would be Constantine I. He is one of the best know emperors ruling from 306-337AD, he reunited the empire, was the first Christian emperor and was probably the one of the last good emperors before the Empire began to fall apart. There are lots of interesting stories about him ranging from civil wars to having his own son and second wife murdered. For $20 you could prob pick up a very good quality CI coin on ebay, as he ruled for so long and produced so many coins the prices are very low. If you want to buy on the forum I'm sure someone has a decent coin to sell you in the 'Looking to buy' section, unfortunately I dont - just checked. Just be prepared to get hooked on collecting them!
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Valued Member
 United States
152 Posts |
Thanks alot Bobby. I think I'm going to do that.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
870 Posts |
For me, it's about history and a direct connection to it. I don't budget a ton for it right now, I collect what I can and what I want on what I feel is a pretty meager budget. I'm actively collecting old US coins now, but if something comes across my path that interests or excites me or is particularly beautiful, I'll usually pick it up. I just got a Widow's Mite last week because I thought it was pretty and I dig that it's so old (dated BC). One of my most exciting purchases was a bronze "Pontius Prutah" - no matter what your feelings on religion, this little piece of metal has a very high probability of being within a couple of miles of one of the most important events in history. That's AWESOME to me! But for me, it's about picking up inexpensive deals and learning about the period of history associated - I'm learning a TON more about Rome and/or the direction and story of various civilizations than I ever did in any history class. And it's something I can have and hold between my fingers and say, "sheesh, this was made in Turkey (or, fill in the blank) almost a thousand years ago, and it played a part in commerce and the growth of society and helped to bring us where we are today." So if it's about getting into it modestly Sean, you might just pick up a couple of "deals" - next time you're at the right show, pick up a few pieces from the bargain bin of a trusted source, and if it suits you - go learn about them. You'll discover other interesting facts and coins from similar time periods that may help you with your next purchase, and it grows from there... =)
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Valued Member
United States
293 Posts |
There are a couple of things that I really love about Ancient Coins...mostly that, like others have said, I can hold a piece of history in my hand. Something that was actually used by another person (or many people) in ancient times. Something that I would have previously expected to see in a museum. And once I started looking into ancients, not only can you actually collect them, but many can be had for a very reasonable price! You can check out my very small collection (only been collecting ancients for less than a year) here: http://s252.photobucket.com/albums/...ent%20Roman/I don't think I've spent more than $30 on any one coin thus far and most have been purchased for around $8-20! If I had known about this hobby earlier, I'd have been collecting ancient coins for years! I love my small collection and they're definitely more of a conversation piece than any of the other world or US coins I own. Anytime I pull one out and show it to someone, they're fascinated! Good luck with your search and hopefully your new collection! My first ancient coin is the one I use as my avatar...it's worn down, has no patina and only cost about $20...and I love it! It's really big, looks cool and is just a fun piece!
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Valued Member
United States
52 Posts |
Because they are minimum 1500 yr old "Ancient"!!
Plus you can hold them, all of mine were nice grade, common & affordable. What's not to like?
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Valued Member
United States
52 Posts |
Can I suggest you look at Byzantine folli, big bronze coins made from @500-1000AD. Not ultra well crafted, but charming in a rustic sort of way & usually very affordable.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
I had built up a type set of Aussie coins, where each type was represented by the rarest date for that type, of all denominations. Having completed that set, I thought "What could I collect and study, as a group of coins, where a complete set would be an impossibility?" That was forty years ago. That answer was provided by collecting and studying ancient coins.
My first ancient coin was a denarius, of Antoninus Pius, in about VF condition with the modius and corn ears reverse, ANNONA being the legend. I had no reference books, I just liked the coin. The cost? $4.50! In retrospect that was fair market value for the coin at that time. These days you could reasonably satisfy yourself with the acquisition of a nice denarius, which you could keep for the rest of your life
The best reference book(s) are by David Sear which indicate the types of Roman coins available, and what you could expect to pay. Even if they are older editions, you can still get a good idea of relative pricing between different roman coins. Be a lurker on the various internet auctions and have a good look first.
I must admit, I do have a complete copy of the Roman Imperial Catalogue, over 14 volumes, which I bought way back in 1972, but the books by David Sear will do almost as good a job. See if you can obtain a good second hand set of books by Sear. My collection these days includes a denomination set of Vespasian of the aureus, denarius and sestertius. I also have a few nice Greek coins as well, and my interests have extended into ancient Indian coins and Chinese cash coins over most emperors and dynasties. Schoth is my reference for the Chinese coins.
How I came to own a copy of Schoth is an interesting story in itself. The book was originally on the shelves of the main town library in Portland Oregon, a gift from the Portland Coin Club. The book was neglected and un borrowed, so the library decided to sell it in a job lot that went to Spinks in London. I had previously indicated to one of Sydney's leading coin dealers that I would like to collect Chinese cash coins, and he told me that Schoth was the the reference, but he did not have a copy. About 6 months later, I received a phone call that Spinks in London had a copy, would I like it? The cost imported to Australia would be $14. That was in 1973. I still have the book, and about 200 cash coins as well. In those days it was possible to buy cash coins for a few cents.
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Pillar of the Community
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I have a few pretty old coins, but I don't know if they would be considered ancients or not. What is the definition or the year cutoff for the classification?
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
Many years ago, I was a subscriber the Seaby's monthly Coin and Medal Bulletin. There was a section in the magazine for coins for sale. This part of the magazine was subdivided into ancients, hammered milled and modern coins. The modern coins were those minted after the Great Coin Reform in Great Britain of (I think) 1816, where coins take on the modern appearance of coin produced in a press. The milled section had coins that were made generally in a screw press, rather than as in a modern press, of lever type, or hydraulic press, ( the English ones date from 1662, I have a rather worn shilling and crown of Charles11). Hammered coins were made from hand made dies that were struck with a sharp blow from a hammer, they are usually quite thin, which made them look large for their weight. They date from the end of the Roman Empire, to the period of milled coins in about 1600, although the first 'thaler' - 'dollar', was minted in (I think), in the town of Hall in Austria in 1486.
Ancient coins go back before the end of the Roman Empire, right back to the time of when coins were first made, to about 650BC. Ancients include Greek coins Celtic coins Chinese cast cash coins and coins of India and South East Asia. The period of ancient coins in the Indian and South East Asian region, which can be right up when modern European like coins were introduced in the 1800's.
I know all of this might be very 'old hat' to experienced collectors, but I thought it may be of interest to young newbies on this site.
Edited by sel_69l 07/20/2010 08:58 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
870 Posts |
'Tis indeed, sel_69l! Thank you!
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
delaner: That's a nice little Sprite you have there, what condition is it in... perhaps VF? Many years ago my mum had a Morris Minor, which had the same engine as the Sprite. As you may have guessed, my handle (SEL 69l) refers to my car.... A Mercedes-Benz 450 SEL 6.9 litre. If you want to look a picture of it, go to the 'topklasse' website. You will discover my avatar on Latest Posts: 'Black or Silver' thread. You will find our club website, referring to mainly W116 Mercedes of about 30 to 35 years old. Topklasse is Sydney based, but we have quite a few members from all over the world, just as Coin Community does.
Actually, Daimler Benz supports many Mercedes club sites all over the planet.
Edited by sel_69l 08/03/2010 07:48 am
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New Member
United States
31 Posts |
I am new here but not to collecting. I have about 10,000 ancients, from Roman, Greek, Byzantine, Parthian, Sassanid, Central Asian, Chinese, etc. I collect since I like the intellectual pursuit of it. collecting ancient coins forces me to learn more history than I otherwise would on my own. I seriously doubt I would know 1/1000 of the history of Byzantium or Central Asia if I did not collect their coins.
It is constantly fascinating. I will warn you to get the most out of it you will need many more books than US collecting. My coin library is about 600 volumes and I buy about 20 more every year. I am the exception, though, if you just pursued Roman coins you could get away with maybe 5 good books.
Chris
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New Member
United States
31 Posts |
Btw, Sear is a great suggestion for anyone getting into Roman Imperials. His 88 edition is the last one volume copy, and goes for about $50. Search ebay a lot and you might get it for less. Romans are easiest to start with, since they are well researched, easier for westerners to read, cheap, and available.
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