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Early Byzantine Coin, Replica Or Not?

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 Posted 06/22/2010  1:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 5703jackson to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
It is a long story, but I believe this coin is originally from Turkey. After doing some research on its markings it was minted in Nikomedia during Justinian the Great. The only problem is that I do not know if it is real? It is 41mm across. I have found similar authentic coins at http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/sb/sb0201.html, but once again, I do not know what to look for to see if it is authentic.

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 Posted 06/22/2010  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the community.

This is a nice example of a Byzantine Follis of Justinian. and is 100% real.
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 Posted 06/22/2010  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am afraid that I must disagree. It is a cast fake. I have included a matching cast fake from the Forum fake reports. Same dies and same flan shape. I could include several other examples.

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I have to agree with Martin. I was a little suspicious of this coin when I first saw it. The coin shares some similar markings with the known fake that Martin posted. While I am not an expert on Byzantine coinage, I am a little suspicious of it.
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I've seem a lot of Byzantine follis of Justinian and have several in my collection, but if this is a fake it had me fooled. I would like to see other examples of this coin. Can you post a link to where they are? Thanks for pointed this out.
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I'd have to agree, it's a match for the ones on FORVM that maridvnvm posted. Run a search in the FORVM fakes database and you'll find four of them. As the poster over there said, they all have the same flaws, such as the little "die crack" above the second P on the obverse at 3 o'clock.

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It is a long story, but I believe this coin is originally from Turkey...

Probably a locally-acquired "tourist fake" then. The FORVM poster reports they date from the "late 20th century".
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Guess I need to pay more attention to those fake reports. Guess I have to go and check all mine.
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Another example of the type was posted in the last few days on Forum Ancient Cons for authentication too.

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/bo...opic=63861.0

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There is often a problem in identifying a fake on the screen. I am very slow to do so, unless it is like the case above, where 'die linkages' are used by researchers in places like the British Museum. However, to do that sort of identification, you need to study thousands or at least hundreds of coins, have lots of experience, and have a fake coin reference collection; your local dealer or museum may have such a collection. I do have a small fake reference collection. I will buy fake coins, so I can use them as a reference, and to remove them from collector circulation, provided they are traded as known fakes. Eventually, my fake reference coin collection will be sold at auction as a single lot as part of my estate when I die. I am very happy to show my fake reference collection to any collector, but I will never trade them. Period. On screen references such as the one above, are a valuable resource. I use it myself. Another good one is the reference that can be accessed is that by by the International Bureau for the Suppression of Counterfeit Coins,(IBSCC), but you have to be a subscriber. Having said that, I have taken many a suspect coin to my friendly dealer, and he has referred to the IBSCC electronic coin records.
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I find the best way to spot cast fakes straight off is the edge. Either there are casting marks or file marks that may be hidden by "toning". Pay attention to the third side, most forgers don't. I agree it is very hard to spot fakes based on photos on the internet unless its very high resolution.
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