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Cedar Chest For Coin Album Storage, Opinions On Dessicate?

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 Posted 07/30/2010  03:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I think maybe there are several types of wood around the planet known as 'cedar'.

Australian red cedar in Australia ( not to be confused with Western red cedar), is amongst some of the most valuable cabinet timbers, ranking in value these days as more so than teak. I have not seen Australian red cedar available for new cabinet making in the last 50 years. What is found now has been reclaimed, and that's almost as rare as hens teeth.

I agree all of the above comments that using cedar for a coin cabinet is very risky.

However if the cabinet is of a valuable species of cedar, and is in good condition, KEEP IT! You may have a very valuable piece of furniture in it's own right.
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 Posted 07/30/2010  03:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppertop5150 to your friends list
why not buy a plastic box?
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 Posted 07/30/2010  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ian Koscak to your friends list
I keep my coins in my night stand drawer. That particular piece is 45 or 50 years old. I don't believe it's cedar because I have never smelled cedar from it. It's a very light colored wood like pine.
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 Posted 07/30/2010  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list
I keep my coins in THREE large Safety Deposit Boxes down at the bank, where they are in a Climate Controlled vault in the center of the bank.....and some silica packs throwed in here and there.

The ones that I temporarily keep at home are just at risk from oderless gasses, humidity, heat, mother nature in general, thieving, fire, and flood.
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 Posted 07/30/2010  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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I store my coins in a medium size wooden chest, looks like the ones you see in pirate movies. Its an old old chest made of local asian hardwood (the wooden chest is locally known as "baul") and the coins havent toned yet after some four years, but then it's wood is not cedar


Now that is interesting. I always thought Cedar was Wood. Gee if it's not wood, what is that stuff? Maybe from Mars?
Your so called OLD chest is made of wood but as you pointed out, it's OLD. In many instances that makes the difference in storing anything in them. All woods tend to dissipate gasses of one type or othere during their aging process. Most people that work with any woods well know that so called green wood will ever scrink during it's aging process as it emits gasses and moisture.
Possibly even Cedar Wood would be safe for coins if old enough. There is just so much in the way of gasses and moisture that is possible to be given off from any wood during a aging process. After that it could be safe. However, contrary to that would be the Woods ability to absorb gasses and/or moisture due to it being to dry.

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why not buy a plastic box?


Now why didn't anyone else think of that?
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07/30/2010 4:07 pm
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 Posted 07/30/2010  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list
Now Carl, don't get snippy. Just because his box is made of wood doesn't mean it's made of cedar wood. There are lots of different kinds of wood. ; )

THIS cedar chest (mine, that is) smells wonderful.

I should point out, I don't own many MS coins. If I do, I'll be sure to put them in an airtight plastic case. MOST of the coins I like to play with are lower grades and I definitely handle them. Perhaps I'm committing some sin by doing so, but perhaps worrying about breathing on an F15 IHC is paranoia. I don't own MS coins specifically because I enjoy playing with the coins and I don't want to worry about ruining them by having a gander at one in my hand through a loupe. I want pieces that were USED in this country, that created commerce, that were used to buy a dozen flowers for a husband's lovely wife, that were used to buy a haircut before a big job interview, that were used to buy a pair of boots for the job that built this country. I don't want perfect coins because they never really did anything. That said, they are nice to look at! Near perfect specimens are art in their own right, and relatively inexpensive art that can be owned and associated with a period in history and all of the scandal, joy, grief, hardship, and celebration that came along with the historical events of that year.

But I don't want to worry about my coins, I want to enjoy them - and for me, that means holding them in my hand, letting my skins awful oils touch the surface and forever lower the grade from VF-19.89 to VF-19.85. And so I do.

Anyway, I'm not going to put my coins in this chest, even though I got it specifically for the task. It's BEAUTIFUL, a Roos, made circa 1940, art-deco in style, with inlay and beautiful design, so it IS a beautiful piece of furniture in its own right. It's NOT perfect because of the reasons stated above, I don't want or need perfect stuff. Just stuff I can use and not worry about too much. I believe it is (or was conceived to be) a hope chest for storing blankets. But I don't have any need for that.

And, I should mention, it does smell WONDERFUL. It has an amazing and strong odor that's really quite lovely. And yes, probably "bad" for coins. I haven't yet decided what I'll do with it, but it's pretty darned cool. =)

A plastic box may suffice for some, but I really wanted something a bit more regal. Unfortunately, I picked the wrong wood. Gotta stay away from smelly stuff, even if it smells good - so noted. When I picked up this chest, I did so remembering reading threads about coins that had toned beautifully in cedar cigar boxes.

Anyway, /tirade

Happy Friday everyone!
Edited by delaner
07/30/2010 4:25 pm
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 Posted 07/31/2010  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list
wooden chests are very neat types of furniture to have around the house , great for keeping those important things to one's heart.

My wooden chest is made of the wood known as "narra", the asian hardwood that has a brown to yellowish hue

Copy Delaner, thanks for the input



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 Posted 07/31/2010  12:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list
On the plastic box idea - I wouldn't. Plastics are made from petroleum - and they leach gases. Some plastics are incredibly nasty for storing coins - think PVC.

I prefer Mylar - but if I was going to use some type of box - I would use glass (not colored glass either, just clear).
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 Posted 07/31/2010  01:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twincam_04 to your friends list
ok, so... fish bowl or aquarium ?
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 Posted 07/31/2010  03:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list

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aquarium


THAT would actually be rad!
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 Posted 07/31/2010  04:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thai-vic to your friends list
The aquarium sounds good and it would give the fish something to think about in their three second attention span...
" Oh my gosh, isn't that a silv.."
"Look! A nicely toned Linc..."
"Mmm, a possible die crack on tha.."
And the water would keep the coins clean!
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 Posted 07/31/2010  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foxhound to your friends list
you could always find some sort of air tight containers, put your coins in them, and then place in the cedar chest. you could build one heck of a display case out of an old aquarium. that could be pretty neat.

later, dave

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 Posted 07/31/2010  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ian Koscak to your friends list
I'm with delaner on this. I'm tired of worrying about coin storage. Just enjoy this hobby and save the stroke for something more serious.
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 Posted 07/31/2010  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list
I put mine in a safe. An all-steel non-fireproof one (the fireproof ones typically attract/radiate moisture). I got a used one from local locksmith, about $350 installed & bolted to the floor.

It's a nice storage space, designed for money. Mine used to be a retail store safe, has a couple of shelves in it and the door has an area for rolled coins.

Plus I know my stuff isn't not getting ripped off again.

EDIT: on the desiccant issue, I went to a craft store, picked up some "flower drying" desiccant, the package is like 5 lbs....I put that in a glass mason jar. No lid on the jar, just stretched fabric over the top & secured it with the ring. The desiccant turns color when saturated & I can see it easy to replace it or put it in the oven & recharge it.
Edited by Secret Argent Man
07/31/2010 4:31 pm
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 Posted 08/01/2010  01:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Aussie red cedar, as I had mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, is a extremely valuable cabinet timber with a rich browny rose colour. It has poisonous resins which render the wood rot proof. It used to be used by Australia's first settlers in the nineteenth century for fence posts. With low temperature grass fires, the wood would char, but still retain it's resistance to rot, and the charred surface would protect it against further fires. In the 20th century, the fence posts were all pulled up and reclaimed for furniture making. My long since departed father made a lot of very valuable furniture in my current house. It is a fabulously easy timber to work with, and takes a very high french polish.

Just a shame it cannot be used for a coin cabinet. Instead, my dad made me a safe for my coins out of 1/4" plate steel.
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