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1904 $20 US Gold Coin

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 Posted 08/21/2006  04:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
Hi pec2006 Welcome to the forum !!

The coin is very pretty !!which brings me to the point of my post .

This coin needs to be authenticated, there are many very good forgeries that were made in the 70's of this design and date.

I suggest that the coin be sent to one of the top TPG's for grading and authentification,, PCGS,NGC or Anacs.

There is no way that we can authenticate the coin from a pic,, or even with the weight since the forgeries were very good and considered dangerous by the coin guides,, this label makes them very deceptive ,,it will take an expert with the coin in hand to determine the coins legitimacy.

This coin if legitimate could grade as high as an MS-66 at this level the coin would have a value of over 5 grand and be in some very prestigious company ,, where did you buy the coin ? was it from a trusted dealer ?coin show ? or other ?







Rick

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08/21/2006 04:19 am
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 Posted 08/21/2006  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sandpaper to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by Metalman

Hi pec2006

The coin is very pretty !!which brings me to the point of my post .

This coin needs to be authenticated, there are many very good forgeries that were made in the 70's of this design and date.

I suggest that the coin be sent to one of the top TPG's for grading and authentification,, PCGS,NGC or Anacs.

There is no way that we can authenticate the coin from a pic,, or even with the weight since the forgeries were very good and considered dangerous by the coin guides,, this label makes them very deceptive ,,it will take an expert with the coin in hand to determine the coins legitimacy.

Rick



Yikes...I agree with Metalman.
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United Kingdom
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 Posted 08/21/2006  06:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pec2006 to your friends list
I got the coin from ebay, from a high rated seller here in the UK.

It was actually mounted in a necklace mount but did come supplied in the same box that was supplied when he got in from a jewellers.

All in all I would say it cost me about $680 which I though was very good.
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 Posted 08/21/2006  07:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wrk4lvg to your friends list
WOW! I have a 1904 as well.....er, ummm, however, it's only a $5.
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 Posted 08/21/2006  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
Welcome pec
My wife saw the pic on the screen and was virtually drooling

But photos can be misleading especially at 72 dpi and that glazed look
An honest scan might show that the coin probably is polished and worn on the high points .

I just now found the time to compare the coin with a standard uncirculated coin and because of what looks like wear on the hair below the Liberty crown I would guess this coin is somewhere
in the XF range
and if that is true the value would be 622 dollars if you were selling today and probably 682 if you were buying today

http://www.gold4ex.be/servlet/javap...or_new&lg=nl

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 Posted 08/21/2006  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
PEC

from what I understand you are UK based ?
If you want to invest in coins that could have a lot of value in the future try to get some absolutely unblemished Elisabeth II new sovereigns of the series starting in 1957
They are sold at bullion prices
Me and my friend tried to put together a series in MS65 and failed because the design seems to high on the cheeck and gets scratched too easily


Image: 1904-$20-US-Gold-Coin Sov 1958-2.jpg
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 Posted 08/21/2006  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonedigger to your friends list
WOW, such a beautiful coin. I really like these more than the St. Gaudens, I'll say it's in the AU-58 range.

Ben
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 Posted 08/21/2006  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pec2006 to your friends list
I have posted some high resolution scans on the links below.

Is the slight colour difference on the upper rim anything to worry about.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h.../1904aaa.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h.../1904bbb.jpg

They are pretty large files but they contain alot more detail than my first pictures.

Thanks.
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 Posted 08/21/2006  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
If you mean the color between the letters that is the original strike lustre ( what is left of it )
These pics reconfirm an XF rating
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 Posted 08/21/2006  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pec2006 to your friends list
Here is one of my 2 other old US coins.

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 Posted 08/21/2006  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
Now you are talking
this looks like an MS63
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 Posted 08/21/2006  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laxmaster92 to your friends list
Nice coins again. Are tose smudges on the left shoulder?
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 Posted 08/21/2006  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list
That is a great looking coin you have there! Could you give us a few more pictures with the coin tilted at a different angle? The way you have it tilted hides the scratches, so we can't give you a real grade. Great coin!
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 Posted 08/21/2006  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pec2006 to your friends list
As requested, here are some photos from different angles of my 2 1924`s that I bought here in the UK for about the equivalent of $650.

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 Posted 08/21/2006  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list
Wow those are beauties! I'm not a gold expert, but those would definately fetch an MS grade!
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