Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. 300,000 items to help build your collection! Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsSpecializing in Modern Numismatics Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Todays Coins To Invest In For 20-30 Yrs Down The Road

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
First Page Previous Page  Showing last 15 replies.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 40 / Views: 7,367Next Topic Page 3 of 3
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
16679 Posts
 Posted 12/14/2010  01:31 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Coins in mind, not Mint sets or Proof sets...
swcoin.ecrater.com
Bedrock of the Community
United States
17884 Posts
 Posted 12/14/2010  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

Quote:
The ones that go up the biggest percentage are business strike coins in grades MS 66 or better.

You should check that assumption. the ones that go up by the greatest percentage actually tend to be the keys in VF - AU.

NGC's new price guide is good for such comparisons.. Unfortunately it only goes back five years. But if you look at something like the 09 SVDB over the past 5 years the MS-66 has increased 25% but has been flat for the past three years. MS-65 the same but flat for last two years. MS-63 is up 50%, down from 55% last year. But in VF it's up 70%.

The 14 D is a little different. MS-66 is up 12% but has been flat for 4.5 years. MS-63 actually has the best return at 65% and has only ben flat for the last year. AU-55 is 30% flat for two year. XF is actually pretty good up 55% but down from 60% over the past year. VF has been somewhat disappointing. It went up to a 60% increase from 2005 to Nov 2008 but over the past two years has dropped badly and is now up only 15% for the five year period. Which is still better than the MS-66.


Quote:
Regarding the 5oz. bullion series - you are also counting on current demand sticking around into the future, continuing to exceed the "low" mintage.

When the first spouse series began it was considered to be a very low mintage coin as well, only 20,000 unc and 20,000 proofs and every one jumped on board. Today those are the HIGH mintages of the series. Today they are only selling a few thousand of each and there doesn't seem to be any interest in them except among a few diehards. Could the same happen to the hockey pucks? Maybe.


Quote:
It's VERY likely they are only minting 30,000 because overall demand is low, as is silver supply. Just my self-educated guess.

Most likely the mintage is low because of the short time period they have to make them. You can't strike these three inch behemoths at high speed like they do regular coins. I would expect they have to do several strikes per coin and I doubt they can make more then a few coins per minute at best. (The three inch medals they make take about five or six strikes and have to be annealed between strikes, but they are much higher relief.) 30,000 coins per design is 150,000 coins with only about 30 days to make them on a single die pair press. Next year they have the whole year and the mintage limit will probably be MUCH higher.
Pillar of the Community
United States
7629 Posts
 Posted 12/14/2010  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
So you don't agree that demand for them will be very low? Or do you? I get that striking these things is going to be a mammoth chore, and I understand the self-imposed time limits (govermnment planning) they have in being able to legally produce these. But do you really think this is the only cause for a mere 30K production run?

By the way, thank you very much for your input. Your addition to this forum is something I have always valued.
Pillar of the Community
United States
3294 Posts
 Posted 12/14/2010  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
I don't think I can bring myself to consider a 5oz piece of silver to be a coin, rather then a commemorative coaster.
Pillar of the Community
United States
2273 Posts
 Posted 12/14/2010  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list
Until people start looking for them and saving them high grade and variety circulation coins will always be the winner. Collectors have always preferred circulation issues for their collections and they've always sought the finest conditions. In the modern age this search is aided greatly by computers and grading companies. If you want an MS-66 1969 quarter all you have to do is go to ebay and see if you can find one. There's no legitimate reason to believe large numbers of these will ever show up because so few were made and virtually none saved.

Today there are numerous condition rarities that are interesting and could have huge gains. One must use both common sense and acquire some knowledge or he'll end up with more junk than gems. Why spend ten or twenty dollars a roll to set aside 2009 nickels when these are likely to be set aside in huge percentages. But gemmy 2007 nickels are likely pretty uncommon and were not heavily saved. Even the mint sets can't compete with them due to the different finish.

You need to get out and see what's available and then save the stuff that isn't. Generally "investing" in collectibles is not a good idea. If you want to do it then fine but remember collector demand is very fickle and unpredictable. There are many rare coins from ancient to modern that can be had for a very low price because they have so little demand. I believe it's the combination of low price and rarity that provide the best bet for saving coins. Many people believe that predicting demand correctly is more important and that some things don't change. I'm not convinced that there's anything that doesn't change. It's better to project trends and guess accordingly.

To each his own.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
Valued Member
United States
57 Posts
 Posted 12/15/2010  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swiego to your friends list
Chinese coins.

Next 20-30 years for investment purposes? The last coin I would pursue is a US coin. I say this as a proud resident and citizen. Our coin collecting population is unemployed, bankrupt and unable to make ends meet, and our children, growing up in a shrinking service economy that does not manufacture things, struggles to appreciate tangible collectibles. Serious US numismatists will be dead or dying in 30 years time, and coins of numismatic value will see their inflation-corrected value crash hard as wealthy foreigners take a fancy to Indian or Chinese numismatic charms and history while Liberty, Abe and Washington visages on our coins become synonymous with "dying empire."

I collect US coins out of passion, fully expecting them to lose considerable value over my lifetime. Sorry to be so bleak but I think it is important, when investing, to not be colored by passion or pride.
Edited by swiego
12/15/2010 12:37 am
Bedrock of the Community
United States
11951 Posts
 Posted 12/15/2010  07:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
Conder101 said


Quote:
You should check that assumption. the ones that go up by the greatest percentage actually tend to be the keys in VF - AU.


The op coppertop5150 started out the thread talking about coins from 2009-2010, buying sets from the mint.

So I was talking about new modern coins. In my opinion, talking only
about new coins that come from the mint. Between Proof coins, Satin coins and business strike coins and the price that you have to purchase them for. The ones that will increase the most in most cases wil be business strike coins in higher grades.


Yes this is just my opinion.

Edited by GR58
12/15/2010 07:56 am
Valued Member
United States
373 Posts
 Posted 12/25/2010  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lincolncollector to your friends list
I keep thinking about that Twilight Zone episode where those guys freeze their bodies and come out 100 years later assuming their gold would be worth something, and they find out gold is not worth anything 100 years later. Remember that episode?
Bedrock of the Community
United States
10284 Posts
 Posted 12/25/2010  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
I would tuck away as many high grade semi key and key date Jefferson nickels, also high grade War Nickels and those full step examples that are hard to find in high grade.
Oh wait, I am already doing that.

Actually, I think many pre 64 quarters in MS-65 and Franklin halves are still at excellent buy levels.
I would think that many of those who got into collecting these new quarters will someday work their way backward through the clad and into the 1964 silver and earlier.
The easier to find Full Bell Line and Cameo Franklin's that have not gone out of site today will in the future.
Valued Member
United States
206 Posts
 Posted 12/25/2010  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stephen to your friends list
I would and do invest in silver us mint coins as close to spot silver as one can get, you have two hedges here, silver and numismatic and the down side is just silver going south.. Stay away from 1965 to present proof silver coins as they can look similar to the clad. unless bought in unopened sets but then you are moving away from your silver spot...Direct from a coin show or shop has been my best luck...
Valued Member
United States
139 Posts
 Posted 12/26/2010  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shavill to your friends list
I know this isn't the place but you guys keep talking about it. CD's. Banks have them...but what to they actually do. I am in College and Home Ecc classes don't teach this stuff any more.

As for coin for investments, don't you all keep telling me thats not what its all about?
Pillar of the Community
United States
958 Posts
 Posted 12/26/2010  03:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppertop5150 to your friends list
Yes the thread was " todays coins " for 20-30 yrs down the road

The coins as of recent 09-10 still avail from the mint.

Silver proofs,proofs,business strikes,special coins,limted coins

Things that can be had today on the cheap that would be worth alot in the future.
By alot I dont mean millions. But say a 10-20$ set might be worth 40$ or so , in the near future


Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts
 Posted 12/26/2010  06:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Now I will come out of left field.

I love coins. But they are NOT the best investment.

The best thing you can invest in is yourself.

Sometimes that means spending money, sometimes it means time, sometimes it means patience, and it usually means effort. All of those things suggest educating yourself. That is what I did after leaving high school through to the time my first child was born. Then all of the above mentioned resources were spent on my wife and family.

"The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet" (Aristotle)



Edited by sel_69l
12/26/2010 06:22 am
Valued Member
United States
455 Posts
 Posted 12/26/2010  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thecoinczar to your friends list
I am with Jbcuk on future coin production. I believe that most financial transactions will one day be all electronic thus eliminating the need for carrying and using coin or paper money. There will be no need for the mint to strike coinage and our hobby will evolve drastically. All of a sudden there will be a finite amount of coins out there to collect, save and invest in. Values will skyrocket due to the increased demand for the finite coins and there will be a renewed interest in coin collecting in general. Many will get into the hobby for nostalgic reasons while others will see valuable investment opportunities. I don't think that much of this will happen in my lifetime, but over the next 50 to 75 years will be times of changes in life as we know it for better or worse!
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
189340 Posts
 Posted 12/27/2010  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

Quote:
As for coin for investments, don't you all keep telling me thats not what its all about?
That is correct.

Quote:
I keep thinking about that Twilight Zone episode where those guys freeze their bodies and come out 100 years later assuming their gold would be worth something, and they find out gold is not worth anything 100 years later. Remember that episode?
Yes I do. We talked about it recently.
Page 3 of 3   Previous TopicReplies: 40 / Views: 7,367Next Topic Page 3 of 3
First Page Previous Page  Showing last 15 replies.
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.


    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.37 seconds to rattle this change. Forums