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1907 Ultra Thin Planchet Large Cent - Ideas?

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 Posted 01/20/2011  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tamarin to your friends list
Thanks, Zonad. You agree with R2C. You both could be right. But as I've mentioned I don't understand how the obverse is still intact at all if the thickness of the coin has been reduced so substantially. As the metal is eaten away by the acid wouldn't the entire obverse disappear as the metal reduction exceeds 50% of the thickness of the coin? I don't understand that aspect. I assume if I cut an Edward large cent in half across the breadth of the coin, separating the reverse from the obverse entirely that the obverse will not be visible at all on the half containing the reverse's details.
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 Posted 01/20/2011  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
with acid too--I've seen a few, although not this particular series.
The wiry rims and skinny, sharp-edged legends strongly suggest the work of acid--imo.
I don't think a planchet half the normal weight would strike up so equally
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 Posted 01/20/2011  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list

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As the metal is eaten away by the acid wouldn't the entire obverse disappear as the metal reduction exceeds 50% of the thickness of the coin?

The acid acts equally on the fields and devices, you will not get a smooth planchet with no detail. The surfaces are porous(most obvious on the obv) and the rims have been thinned, the denticles are about to fall off. A coin struck on an extremely thin planchet would have serious strike quality deficiencies.
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 Posted 01/20/2011  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add R2bR2c to your friends list
If you want to try something that many of us did as kids, just put a large cent (or small one) in a small glass of regular Coaca-Cola (if it still has the same formulation). Seal the top so that it can't evaporate and watch the coin disolve like this one has partially. The side that stays touching the bottom of the glass will either have much more or much less "burn-off" (I can't remember which had the most/least). The coin will still have esentially the same amount of relief that it started with over most of the coin, because the high points and flat fields will eat away at the same rate. The rate will be a thinner, lighter coin with almost as much detail until the end of the experiment .. then it will dissolve altogether. I even did it with a spoon one month .. it takes a while so it's not instantaneous. I think that the 1907 had the acid or solution actually brushed or applied to each side intermitantly .. you normally will get a fully submerged one to get the edges eaten away as well.
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 Posted 01/20/2011  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tamarin to your friends list
Interesting comments here! Thanks! R2B, I think I'll try the coke thing. It is a strange large cent. The edge of the coin does make you wonder as the rim is smooth and the thickness consistent. Thanks again for the ideas on this one to all who commented!
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 Posted 03/20/2012  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add teacher to your friends list
I also have found a Canadian thin planchet, Edwardian large cent. Mine is dated 1910 and is the same exact diameter as a regular issue but about 1/2 the weight and thickness. It also seems to be rim-less with the denticles reaching the coin's edge. The fields behind the bust do seem to have some miniscule pitting that would give credence to the acid theory, but I would like to think it's a thin planchet that got mixed in with the others at strike-up time. Wm
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 Posted 03/20/2012  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tamarin to your friends list
We can all hope but I tend to go with general opinion here and defer to the acid theory. If the surface of my coin was more convincing - smooth and coin-like like a regular issue - I might change my mind. But it is a curiosity and one more to prompt conversation when shown.
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 Posted 03/20/2012  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list
before I even read the other's comments I thought acid etched (more so on the bust side)
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 Posted 03/20/2012  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
definitely acid, look how the legends are thinned
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 Posted 03/23/2012  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zimmy to your friends list
It is amazing how often acid treated coins appear on ebay and forums. Mostly labeled as struck on foreign or thin planchets. Once you learn to recognize the type, they can be spotted a mile away. They all have that fuzzy detail look, are usually much thinner than a normal coin with surfaces that are somewhat pitted. If you search ebay with the word thin, several examples will always show up. I wish I could round them all up and bury them. I hate to think how much money people lost on these but we all have had some hard lessons, I guess some harder than others.
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 Posted 03/24/2012  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennysaver to your friends list
I notice that both tamarin and teacher, who own these lightweight coins, mention that the diameters of their respective pennies are exactly the same as their full-weight counterparts. If the pennies had been acid/coke dipped, wouldn't the rims themselves have been affected, and thus the diameters been fractionally smaller? Just a thought...
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 Posted 03/24/2012  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
, pennysaver!

Diameters should be slightly smaller. They may just not have noticed. If acid was beaded up on the surface, rims would not be affected.
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 Posted 03/24/2012  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennysaver to your friends list
Thanks for the welcome, biggfredd! And I've got to agree with you with the acid beading up on the surface; that would keep the coins the same size. Looking at that penny makes me realize what a nasty habit of foolery some people have.
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 Posted 03/25/2012  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dan-in-crystal-lake to your friends list
On the diameter question, I think you need to take surface area into account. There is an awful lot more Obv and Rev than there is edge. You would notice the effects (planchet thinning) sooner then you would on the edge (reduction in diameter).
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 Posted 03/25/2012  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Looking at that penny makes me realize what a nasty habit of foolery some people have.


Look up sweating of gold coins.
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