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Thank gawd you had a pic for this one coop! I was wondering how you'd shed light something that wasn't there.   I like your photo library, do you have any insights into these varieties? |
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The spaces between the pillars are at the same level as the field. The statue of Lincoln is cut very shallowly into the die. Polish the die to remove clash marks and you could easily polish the statute off the die.
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They are not a variety in my book. They are just an over worked die from polishing. I believe Die Varieties are made a variety during the hubbimg process. Not something that happens to them during the dies life in it's later years.  |
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It's like you're inside my head Coop! I share the same perspective on missing die detail.
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These are images that I used in my first CCF thread. I made the argument that SOME coins with dramatically missing die detail (polished off, not greasers) were indeed collectible. Here are the images of a well known die used at the Denver Mint in 1988.   |
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I still stand by my original perspective.
When small amounts of die detail are obliterated during die polishing, this is normal and to be expected. Such as the 1969-D "no FG" listing that somehow got into the Cherrypicker's Guide to Rare DIE VARIETIES. (FS-901)
When a tiny bit of something is missing- WHO CARES? Don't mis-understand me- if someone loves them, that's what they should pursue! (I hate our PC world)
My point is that "no FG" occurs ALL THE TIME. They're plentiful. AND THEY ARE NOT DIE VARIETIES. Varieties, maybe.
BUT- When a die produces a large amount of out-of-the-ordinary appearing coins- that is something that should get notice.
I still contend that the 1988-D with Missing Lincoln and FG is a collectible coin. It's dramatic- more so than any other die or year that I've seen (so far).
You don't have to call it collectible- But I'm hoarding them, I've got several dozen in circ to BU. And when the market is ready for THIS DIE.....I'll be parting with them at the price collectors are willing to pay.
As for the coin in the OP- You can see the die polish lines and a faint trace of Lincoln. If I found a marketable quantity of coins for this die- I wouldn't try to convince anyone it's anything other than a heavily polished die, perhaps worth a very slight premium.
Yes- I do know that there are heavy die polish lines on the 88-D, I wish I had a whole-coin pic on hand- you'd see how dramatic this coin really is, you can spot it at arm's length!
I hope to have not offended ANYONE- I'm pretty blunt and any member will know if I'm saying something even slightly harsh. If unsure of my tone- believe there's no insult intended.
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04/15/2011 03:07 am
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If anything at all, the missing details due to die polishing, weak hubbing, or die wear would be die errors, not varieties. AGAIN...varieties are changes in the design used to hub the dies. They are almost always intended, but they were not made to be noticed. The subject of this thread has nothing to do with varieties.
The missing statue on the OPs coin is due to two factors - the design had very little detail when the die was hubbed in the first place, and die wear takes care of the rest. Die polishing can also abrade the statue away on coins from that era.
The reverse design of 1982-1986 is almost always nearly completely lacking anything but a hint that the statue even exists. They also pretty much have NO steps.
Conder101 - the statue is always hubbed - not cut.
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Jango , robot, chicken homie. Love that show. Haven't watched it in a long time tho. Lol
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Jango , robot, chicken homie. I stand corrected about me being the only one lol Lincoln: "Who dares disturb my slumber?" GW Bush: "Who dares question my...daring...of...his...dare? Jerk." (later) Lincoln: "If you strike me down I shall be more - wait a minute! Let me finsh! (disappears Obi-Wan-style) GW Bush: "Take that, George Washington!" LOL  "Hehehe. Tacos Rule!" Edited by VisigothKing
04/16/2011 12:32 am
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Conder101 - the statue is always hubbed - not cut. Sorry poor choice of words. I know it isn't "cut" into the die. I was just trying to indicate that the depth of the statue into the surface of the die is extremely shallow. |
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If it's that color, that's a pretty crappy 22 no d. Looks like a 22d I found in a collection where it and a bunch of others were polished to that fake orange, then varnished or something, but only on the obverse. The reverse is a strong vg, perfect color. A textbook case of why the first thing you tell people is "don't clean coins".
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I got that image off heritage auctions. I liked how it showed how dear the die was becoming from over polishing. Color? Looks like it rode for a time in someone sock. LOL
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Edited by coop
04/16/2011 1:24 pm
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