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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Note that finding cost is a major contributor to high prices. Exxon has about 360B in revenue but only 35B in profit. They literally have armies of scientists combing the world for new sources of supply. Hence, even if Exxon were non-profit, we would see at best perhaps a 10-20% decrease in fuel costs. In practice, though, I think most not for profit companies lose in efficiency what they gain by sacrificing the profit. Hence, if the federal government took over oil production I doubt we'd see any significant decrease in cost.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: From everything I have read. Average cost is $5 an ounce to pull it from the ground. Also, there are not many pure silver mines. The mining companies are harvesting copper, nickel, and other metals. Silver is the byproduct of these mines. Some mines can report 0 cost for the silver, as the profits come from the primary metal they are mining, the silver is just extra. - Ayejay Exactly right. Some of the bigger gold and silver producers are the copper miners. Both gold and silver are by-products of copper mining and processing. Considering the large tonnages of copper ore that are processed, upwards of 300,000 tons per day, it doesn't take much gold or silver in that ore to amount to quite a lot. Some of the copper miners pay all of their mining costs from the gold and silver they recover, so the copper is ALL profit.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Interesting enough. I didn't think there was pure silver mines. Ever hear of The Comstock Lode? That was the biggest silver strike ever and practically all of it was from pure silver ore mines. These days, most silver does come as a by-product from copper ore processing but there are still some silver ore mines. The Hecla Mining Company in Idaho produces both silver and gold ores, which are then processed into metal.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Haven't heard of anyone hitting the "mother lode" recently. I'll bet they're still out there lurking around convergence zones of tectonic plates. Sure would be great to find one though. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Haven't heard of anyone hitting the "mother lode" recently. No, me neither. If we think about it, though, there is 3x as much Earth under water as there is above water so there could be some HUGE silver and gold deposits out there that have never been found because finding them is too difficult. Much better technology could help fix that. If we can drill for oil in deep water, we ought to be able to figure out how to mine there as well. Further down the road, we have a HUGE resource orbiting the Earth. It is only 1/6 the mass of the Earth but it is 100% dry land, so is only somewhat smaller than the dry part of the Earth. Mining on the moon should be feasible because the moon should be similar to the Earth in geologic terms, there is a lot of solar energy available, and we should find water, oxygen, iron, and many other useful things for building lunar cities and mining complexes. After that come the asteroids between Mars and Jupiter. Imagine finding an asteroid that weights about a billion tons and contains a few % silver or gold! That would be some SERIOUS PM tonnage!  I think of things like this whenever I read a web site that claims that we are running out of silver or gold or some other resource. We're not. What we are running out of is the stuff that is easiest to get at. There are still HUGE supplies of most elements available to us if we will just get after them. 
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Google the: CANNINGTON silver mine.
This mine is currently the largest silver producing mine in the World, and has a projected life on current reserves of about 20 years.
Something like 22,000 tonnes of silver throughout the World are mined annually, and the Cannington Mine produces roughly 6% of this.
There is quite a large proportion of silver production that is recovered from industrial processes, to be re refined, and re used.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: After that come the asteroids between Mars and Jupiter. Imagine finding an asteroid that weights about a billion tons and contains a few % silver or gold! That would be some SERIOUS PM tonnage! Earth faces destruction by asteroid hit tuesdaySpace PM mining co miscalculated when steering it to earthPut your head between your legs and KYAG.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
Quote: Earth faces destruction by asteroid hit tuesday Space PM mining co miscalculated when steering it to earth
Put your head between your legs and KYAG. LOL! Yeah, Fredd, I can see the media headlines now, "Meteor will destroy the Earth at 10:17 PM tonight... film at 11 PM". 
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New Member
United States
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This is funny.
I was just getting into the mood of imagining sitting there with the girl, wondering:
"Where the heck is the Moon?"
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3294 Posts |
Well at $10,000 a pound to get into low earth orbit (getting to the moon would of course cost even more), I don't see silver mining on the moon being profitable, even if the moon had huge silver deposits (which I doubt). Underwater mining might be the ticket though, if you could find some very nice deposits.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1590 Posts |
When I was kid in Nevada, I used to go hiking and would pass quartz with veins of Silver all the time. It was common. So Common that we had a rock garden in Fallon that was full of veined quartz because my grandma thought it was pretty. We also had some small quantities of gold veined Quartz but Gramps kept that in the garage because it was still illegal to own Gold at the time.
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
Quote: Underwater mining might be the ticket though, if you could find some very nice deposits.
Already done. Very high grade ores under contract with the Papua New Guinea government (which gets 30%) by Nautilus Minerals: http://stockgumshoe.com/2011/07/%e2...2%80%9d.htmlPreliminary reports show more gold than Fort Knox, and some big names own stock. Good Gnus: They're 2-3 years from production. Bad Gnus: They've been 2-3 years from production for several years.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
jmkendall: I have been to the Eldorado Canyon mine in NV. Quite interesting. First time for me in an underground mine. It used to produce gold as well as silver. It is a tourist destination now.
I have also seen the Super Pit in Western Australia. So far, that mine has produced over 1000 tons of gold. It is open cut. The hole is two miles long, half a mile wide and over 1000 feet deep.
It is easy to find the hole on Google maps.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
WOW! I just Googled "Super Pit Australia" and got 240,000 hits! Looks as if there is some info on this.  Not only is this mine producing lots of gold, it will make a terrific garbage dump when the gold has played out. That definitely makes it a 2-fer. 
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
Two problems with the "true" price of au and ag:
1) As has been pointed out, they are often by products of copper and other metals. Depending on how your cook your books, the price can be anything from cheap to free.
2) Even if a mine produces only au or ag, when prices rise, production moves to the lower grade areas of the mine, raising costs. The better ores are saved for when prices fall again.
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