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Watching The Dead Cats Bounce

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There's a crude and colorful stock market term, dead cat bounce. The idea is that a dead stock, like a dead cat, will bounce when it drops far enough. That does not necessarily indicate a recovery.

Here's a quote from one of many advisories I get:

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One of the world's largest banks -- Société Générale -- is rumored to be failing.

Its shares have just crashed down 23%.

The cost of insuring it against default has surged into the stratosphere.

The markets are virtually signing its death warrant.

And it's not alone: Italy's UniCredit is plunging again. BNP Paribas is down 11% ... Intesa Sanpaolo has plunged 13% ... Credit Agricole has crashed down 15% -- all in a single session!

Overall, European bank stocks have just suffered their steepest drop since May of 2009, and the bloodletting in banks is killing stocks across the globe.


If one problem (failing banks) is causing another (falling stocks), there's little the affected segment can do.

Segue to PM.

If the general trend for silver is up, (like for a dead cat is down), that doesn't mean it won't temporarily bounce in the other direction, which is what seems to be happening.

Look for a big downward bounce on gold before any long-term rise.

Here's a quote from Larry Edelson about PM. Larry has been trading for 33 years, and I feel that he is one of the most level-headed predictors, basing pricing on long-term trends like population numbers in age brackets, etc:


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In the short term, there is no question that I have been conservative in gold and silver. And many have questioned me. That's ok. It's more a sign of how emotional many investors are now, which is also one heck of a sign that a turning point could be very close at hand in the metals as well.

I have, however, warned that gold could reach the $1,700 level and indeed it has. Nevertheless, I repeat my warnings of late: The recent rallies in gold and silver are NOT the big ones.

Those will come later, much later, heading into the worst phases of the sovereign debt crises which will not be here for a couple of more years. That is when gold will skyrocket to well over $5,000 an ounce -- to $7,700 -- and silver to well over $135.

It is not going to happen now. And if you want to risk a lot of money, go ahead, be my guest and buy into the gold and silver euphoria if you wish. I think you'll be sorry, and could face very steep losses in the weeks ahead.

Indeed, I am seeing very strong signs that gold and silver may roll over very soon to the downside. Last week's action in gold -- soaring to a new record high, then selling off sharply, is just one subtle sign a selloff may be at hand.

Silver did much the same, jumping to $42.25 and then plunging -- in the same day -- down to below $39, an incredible 8% single day reversal.

I have updated signals for you for gold and silver. But before I give them to you, a few further clarifications ...

I am very bullish both metals, longer term.

If you've been following me for any length of time and acted on my recommendations, you should own gold from much lower levels and have very nice profits!

You should keep the long term in perspective, and not worry or get wrapped up in the short-term movements. Gold can still rally here to $1,750, even $1,800 or higher.

But as I said before, these are NOT the big moves up for gold or silver.

Those moves are a ways off, and getting overly emotional right now and caught up in these markets and the emotions of the times will be -- I can almost guarantee it -- hazardous to your wealth.

Having said that, it is also entirely possible that both metals will not turn south, as investors all over the world panic and go to "cash." If that happens, here are the support levels you should be watching for.

Watching-The-Dead-Cats-Bounce Watching-The-Dead-Cats-Bounce

As you can see, gold has many more support levels under current prices than silver does. That is very significant, and it shows you that longer term, gold is much stronger than silver.

But it also tells you something else: Silver is again vulnerable to a CRASH. If silver closes below the $38.86 level -- which are now very close -- silver could easily plunge to $30, and lose more than 20% of its value in a heartbeat.

Now, I fully understand I have a lot of enemies in silver. But that doesn't bother me one bit at all. I have been around these markets for 33 years and I have the experience, the instincts, and the tools to have complete confidence in my forecasts.

I know when to be in the markets, when to be out of them, and when in, which side to be on. Right now, I would not touch silver with a 10-foot pole (except from the short side, if you have the financial wherewithal and risk-reducing discipline to sell short silver.)

Now, to oil: In my last several columns I've been telling you that oil would be rolling over to the downside. In my June 20 column, I gave you a very important level to watch: $91.57, a close below that would indicate a weekly sell signal.

That signal is now in place and oil is collapsing. I now expect oil to plunge to as low as $80 in the weeks ahead. So I would not be buying any oil and energy stocks right now.

Quite to the contrary, I would be considering short positions via inverse ETFs such as the ProShares UltraShort Oil And Gas (DUG) or the PowerShares DB Crude Oil Double Short (DTO). These are double inverse positions so monitor your risk tightly.
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 Posted 08/11/2011  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice writeup fredd, very informative - disgusting analogy!
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I bought Sept GLD 162 puts this morning to protect on the down side. Just a little insurance.
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 Posted 08/11/2011  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So Silver going to crash anytime soon, and I should buy more once it goes down to $30 again.

Thanks fredd for the article.

Edit: I been meaning to stock up again, I am sorry if collectors/investors that came in later when they bought it at high price levels.
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 Posted 08/11/2011  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Loon22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice article. I just bought my first coin yesterday on ebay. Going to hold off for more purchases.
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Thanks Fred!
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That guy really is great hitting commodities so close. Gold is going back to $1600 short term I'm afraid.
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I think a pullback of another $40-50 from here (1750) would be healthy for the overall trend.
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I thought going under $1700 would be better for the next month or two, speculators push it up for the short term, people jump the gun to PM.

Don't get me wrong, I was happy to make the $$$$$ in the past 2 weeks (Stocks, Mutual Funds, profits adding to my coin collection) it is bad sight for people that buy high and seeing it drop, only works like it stated: Longer Term.

By October would be interesting then...
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Nice article.

I've been in and out of GLD and SLV 4 times in the past few years. Currently I'm out.

Thanks Fred.
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A lot of us would agree that the future for both gold and silver looks pretty good, especially over the longer time periods. Like a lot of others on here, I want to build up a stash of both as stores of value and inflation hedges. Because of this, the short-term price swings are not my main concern. Sure, it would be great to be able to maximize the number of ounces obtained for the cash I have available but, as with the stock market, it is very unlikely that I will ever buy at an exact bottom or sell at an exact top. Therefore, I am buying a little here and a little there to build my stash over time. If I don't get every last ounce from this, I can live with that. The important thing is that I build the stash and have it available.
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Well yesterday silver closed at 38.64, so does that mean he thinks it will fall to 30.54?
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I don't really agree with his support levels for silver, seems to me we have pretty good support in the $34 area (maybe some in the $36 area too). Plus markets have been so volatile that technicals haven't been very reliable lately.

Looking at this chart http://www.silverseek.com/quotes/3monthsilver.php I see 3 bounces in the $33.50-34 area. That last bounce in the $34 area is where I backed up the truck last time.
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Well yesterday silver closed at 38.64, so does that mean he thinks it will fall to 30.54?


There's not much to keep it above 30.54.
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I don't really agree with his support levels for silver, seems to me we have pretty good support in the $34 area (maybe some in the $36 area too).



During the past few weeks, silver has tested the $34 price level a few times. There seems to be considerable resistance at that level. Could silver fall below that level? Sure. Is that especially likely in the near future? Doesn't seem to be to me.
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