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Valued Member
 United States
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I'm one of those cant hear silver sort of people so the ring test is out. I'll do the tissue test when I get home. When you say tissue, do you mean tissue or tissue paper? Any specific type, ie toilet vs facial, etc? |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thin single ply kleenex or toilet paper will work.
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Valued Member
United States
374 Posts |
im guessing there real. my friend bought some fake morgans years ago but they were cast. Once you looked hard and tryed the ring test it was obviuos.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thickness standards could only be applied to the blank before upsetting or to the strip itself. Lots of genuine Morgan dollars are "shiny". In fact more are shiny than not shiny. Quote:
Let's also remember that we're dealing with coins that were minted a long, long time ago. QA then is not what it is now. You might be surprised at what Quality control was like back then. Weight Tolerance was to within .3% And the blanks were each weighed both before and after striking. Today the Weight Tolerance is to within 3.7% Even when they last had silver in them, the 40% coins, the tolerance was to within 4%. So QA was stricter back then than today. |
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Valued Member
United States
257 Posts |
tissue test passed. I guess if the weight checks out I'm in the clear....
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Valued Member
United States
380 Posts |
Did you try the magnet test?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3755 Posts |
As Newbi said, use a magnet. The majority of fakes are steel.
And dont let paranoia drive you to this point. As stated thickness is NOT a reliable measure as many different factors influence how thick a coin is. Buy a magnet and glue a piece of felt to it. Place it on any questionable coins. The felt will protect the real ones. And there you go. A simple test that will weed out the vast majority of any fakes.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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smokeriderdon, I think you are overestimating the number of steel fakes, there are plenty floating around in non-ferrous white metal compositions and would not be attracted to a magnet. Obviously, weighing is one of the best diagnostics as full silver weight counterfeits are rarely encountered(the do certainly exist though, especially for high-end coins). Magnets do have their place though, waving a strong rare earth magnetic over a pile of potentially fake silver coins(or random defunct world coins) is a sight to see. The tissue test has high accuracy for coins with a high silver composition and are not heavily toned but the best part is that no scale is needed. However, all coins that pass the tissue test still need to be weighed to rule out silver plating over base metal. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Thanks for all the help guys. I'm still awaiting for the arrival of my hundredths gram scale in the mail and that should resolve this problem.
As for the magnet test, I'll do it if there's still doubt. But since these are pretty heavy, I don't think steel was used.
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Valued Member
United States
257 Posts |
Scale came in!
too bad I'm stuck at work! I'll let you know the prognosis when I get home later!
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Valued Member
United States
257 Posts |
Peace Dollars:
26.66
26.61
26.70
Morgans:
26.66
26.75
26.7
26.65
26.79
26.65
26.66
26.75
26.72
26.71
26.67
26.76
26.78
26.69
26.72
26.74
26.78
All numbers are in grams.
Seem close enough but anyone with Morgan experience can reassure me one way or the other?
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Moderator
 United States
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I am no coin expert, but I like those numbers. If you allow for some being worn and some being not 100% clean (BTW don't clean them), those look good to me.
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Valued Member
United States
257 Posts |
Yep, I'm inclined to say they're real as well. I was just thrown off by the "shininess" of the coins when they came in compared to the pics.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1080 Posts |
as for thickness, like people have said, there is some variance. I sold several dozen BU Morgans to a dealer once, and he stacked them in stacks of 10 on the glass counter as he inspected them. We noticed that once of the stacks was almost half a coin shorter than the others. It made him inspect everything again, but they came out legit.
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New Member
United States
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Both the tissue and the magnet test are excellent suggestions to weed out he vast majority of fakes. If you could please post a few close up pics of the coins in question. I'd be a little surprised if someone went to the trouble of creating fakes for 1921's since these are so common and are not highly priced but I guess you never know.
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