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Breaking News! 1933 Double Eagle Trial: Government Wins

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 Posted 07/21/2011  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ron2012Paul to your friends list
I would never hand over anything of value to the government.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list
Sorry, but I have to rant for a minute.

I know that the question with the 10 1933 Double Eagles is that they left the mint under questionable circumstances. The Feds say they were stolen and had to be returned and they got a Federal Jury to agree. How can anyone be sure? The people involved with the coins leaving the mint are no longer with us.

So what happens when someone gets a mint sewn bag of 1964-D Kennedy halves and they find a 1964-D Peace dollar that happens to be part of the bag? It's not out of the question. Is it subject to seizure by Treasury officials? This would be a coin that made it out of the mint through proper channels, but HOW could you ever prove it? Did a mint worker drop one in on purpose, or did it just happen?

Yes, I know the chance of this happening are nil, but it COULD happen.

If you found one in this way what would you do? I'd be so worried that I'd loose the coin that I'd be afraid to tell anyone I had it, even though it wasn't stolen from the mint.

ANY coin that left the mint by theft is subject to seizure. What about the Dollar/Quarter Mules or the 1913 Liberty nickel? When will they be taking them? Selective justice is wrong. They know where these coins are, have talked about taking them, but have no plans to do so. This should have been reason enough for the jury to send the '33s back to the REAL owners. Or will this decision change their minds and they start a campaign to take the coins from the people that own them.

This is a black day for coin collecting.
ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!!
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 Posted 07/21/2011  07:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
The government never loses. If they do, they just appeal. Wine knot? They're using your tax money to fight you with.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
No 1804 dollars were made in 1804, so how could they be considered a legitimate mint product?
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 Posted 07/21/2011  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list
I hope that the government sells them and deposits the proceeds in the treasury. Given the debt crisis, $30 or $40 million dollars would help some, though I know its a mere drop in the bucket in terms of the trillions in debt we have but millions make trillions.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hambone to your friends list

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They're using your tax money to fight you with.

So we should just stop paying taxes.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list

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So we should just stop paying taxes.


I wish we could. (sigh)

But I don't yet!
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 Posted 07/21/2011  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hambone to your friends list
Yeah, us young'ens dont worry about that yet. But we do feel the effects of it sometimes.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bjones to your friends list
Well, I know how we all like to blame the gov't for everything, however I am trying to think of this from a constructive point of view. What if someone stole something from you and later someone else came back to you and asked you to take a look at it. Wouldn't you want it back? If it had your name on it and you had photos and/or records to prove ownership. I don't see why the gov't can't also pay the family who recovered their property a reward or finders fee, it's the right way to go about things.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
There was no shortage of coins melted dowm, so other gold was traded for them.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ron2012Paul to your friends list
I agree lets just stop paying taxes.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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I don't see why the gov't can't also pay the family who recovered their property a reward or finders fee, it's the right way to go about things. - bjones

Which is EXACTLY why the government won't do that!
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 Posted 07/21/2011  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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They're using your tax money to fight you with. - BiggFredd

The Founding Fathers had an answer for that.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list
SOOO what would have happened if you sent those 10 coins to NGC?

I dont know if they have any sort of legal confidentiality or anything. And also, if you worked at NGC and you saw a real 1933 Double Eagle, would you trust the company enough for it to not go magically "missing"

Kinda sad though, probably wouldnt say anything myself. What I thought was interested, from what I read online, all the coins were apparently "Accounted" for.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list

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...Jurors accepted the government argument that there was no legal way any of the coins could have been removed from the Mint. All 445,500 coins minted by the government were supposed to have been destroyed by 1937.

"It sends a strong message" that the government will pursue thefts, "no matter how many years pass," Assistant U.S. Attorney Jacqueline Romero said after the verdict...


Like I said, who's next and what coin will it be?
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