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Pillar of the Community
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Bowfin makes a good point, there is more hoarding going on then melting and many of these coins will be back in Numismatic hands when the precious metals bubble bursts.
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Quote: At what grade does a junk silver coin become more then just junk silver? I think it really depends on the coin and the market for it. For example, the grade will be different for a common Morgan dollar than a common Roosevelt dime. Quote: The big melt is why I am saving any and all silver I find these days. I may not live to see it, but some day these "common dates" may become harder to find than keys at the rate these are being sold to dealers buying and reselling to the refiners. I feel the same way. I am keeping all nickels and copper cents for the same reason. My contribution to the future. 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Just to clear the air a bit. There is a lot more hoarding going on than "melting"...
Exactly, this is not a repeat of 1979-1980 when coins were loaded into the melting pots by the bag. Face value bags have become a very popular silver investment vehicle, my local dealer currently has a waiting list for them(supplied from walk-in silver purchases). Here is a sampling of what you could find in one of those bags- VG Barber halves, VG-F SLQs, EF-AU Walking Libertys, AU-MS Mercs and Roosies, AU-MS Franklins, and even some low grade Seated Liberty coins.
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Valued Member
United States
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no silver is junk silver to me. I roll search about all of my finds and every piece of silver I find is cherished as much as the 1916 D mercury head dime someone just spent $1,000 on. I love the oldness, scarceness, and hunt of silver. Silver is silver and no coin is considered junk to me. If you have any junk silver coins I will gladly give you my address and take them off your hands. Offer is up for anyone! I hate the term junk silver, plus with silver so high it seems like the premiums for common silver dates are all gone thus wouldn't common date silver be a better and more accurate term? interesting
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: no silver is junk silver to me. I roll search about all of my finds and every piece of silver I find is cherished as much as the 1916 D mercury head dime someone just spent $1,000 on. I love the oldness, scarceness, and hunt of silver. Silver is silver and no coin is considered junk to me. If you have any junk silver coins I will gladly give you my address and take them off your hands. Offer is up for anyone! I hate the term junk silver, plus with silver so high it seems like the premiums for common silver dates are all gone thus wouldn't common date silver be a better and more accurate term? interesting
 You just saved me from typing all the same thing as what you said.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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"Junk silver is an informal term used in the United States, United Kingdom, Canada and Australia for any silver coin which is in fair condition and has no numismatic or collectible value above the bullion value of the silver it contains."
Junk just means it fluctuates depending on the price of silver and not the numismatic value. It is junk as a collectible coin. That is all. If you don't believe that I've got a bunch of old quarters warn to a washer almost that I'd like to sell at mint premiums.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hoarding? I used to think that. I can only speak to the town I live in in Ohio and my hometown in Ca I visit all the time. I have a good relationship with the dealers in both towns. With the run up in Silver; these dealers are being inundated with folks selling their silver. At the same time these dealers are telling me that more than more than 95 percent of this silver is being melted. In the last two years alone over 400 million ounces of silver have been scraped. Since 2001 more than 1.8 billion ounces of silver have been reclaimed ( source: World Silver Survey 2011). By the way according to the same source ( which is blatently bullish silver), supply outstripped demand by 178 million ounces, which should tell you something about the disconnect between supply and demand philosophies and actual market prices.
There ARE silver hoarders,but they only save a small percentage of the silver turned in for scrap. All of my connections in the scrap/dealer industry agree that most of the silver coins they take in are MELTED.
If only 20 percent of all recycled silver is derived from scrap coins then we still have 360 million ounces worth of scrapped coins to account for. Thats the equivalent of 460 million Morgans;or 920 million halves; 1.84 billion quarters;or 4.6 billion dimes. Ohio Precious Metals LLC recently reported that half of its intake is due to coins and flateware. They reported that a single coin dealer brought in more than 200,000 ounces in March. So you can see my numbers are probably low. If the trend continues for another 10 years and the numbers of scrapped coins increase then 10 years from now we could well approach 1 billion ounces of scrapped coins. That would be 1.3 billion morgans ( exceeds mintage), 2.6 billion Halves, 5.2 billion quarters or 13 billion dimes. Not including of course the Hundreds of millions scrapped in the decades before 2000.
Simple math folks. While Billions of coins minted are a lot, it is not an infinite number; and has already been reached with the total historical count of coins melted. Make no mistake probably half of all silver coins ever produced have been melted, with another 20 percent still in the ground somewhere.
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New Member
United States
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I been buying silver proofs(in orginal packing for $1 under spot. I think that is a great deal. I also love what some people call junk which is vf quality or better for less than spot. While I collect numismatic coins, the practical aspect of purchasing "Junk silver" is a no brainer IMO. Respectfully, Herb
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What JMKendall said (above). my thoughts are: How soon will which silver coins and what grades become worth more then any eventual melt value?... In ten years? 20? WHO KNOWS...
(as John1 knows) This is why the basic advice to new coin collectors (or old ones) is to build a collection by obtaining the highest grade, rarest example, of a coin within your financial means. Include with that Singleness of purpose... i.e. a well defined "vision" of your collection and collecting goals.... is also important. Take John Jay Pittman as an example. John, an ordinary wage earner, became rich (eventually) by this process of patience and careful study... NUMISMATIC EDUCATION... as we say here at ccf.
Edited by Changeless 08/05/2011 3:35 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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I agree with what has been said so far , so much so that I'm hitting up guys who want to sell 'junk silver' to me at spot. I picked up quite a bit of Barber halves from a guy who bought them 5-6 years ago. He told me 'don't worry about them, they're all junk and no key dates'. Well , according to numismedia quite a few are semi-key , or atleast rare enough to warrant over spot value, all but two were G4 or higher (with one F12 in the lot). As time goes on , more coins we consider common will be melted, and eventually our commons will become keys and demand higher values. This is why EVERYTHING I get goes into a 2x2 flip for preservation. Sure I might have to break it out some day in the future, but i'd rather worry about that then scratching or otherwise damaging a coin that could be valuable in 30 years.
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Valued Member
United States
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JMkendal - Are you from Jackson?
I didn't realize that they took in so much in PMs , I'm amazed by the numbers you're offering. Part of me wants to go down and ask if they let anyone sort through the 'junk' they get :D
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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No, I'm from Newark. I sort through the bags before he ships them out. In fact the refiner is not taking new customers right now, and a most of the locals go through my dealer as he has a long term account with them. But even I have to get there before he ships them, as he does not wait for anyone!
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Valued Member
United States
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thats a really cool article, I always thought the worse the example the less of a premium I didn't even know poor 1 existed...the more you know
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm 14 turning on 15 in 8 days and everytime I buy junk silver I think about this.
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