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Cme Raises Margins On Gold

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 Posted 08/12/2011  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
This is the one MAJOR negative of Pm's if there is any at all IMO. The gov can change the rules of the game anytime they want, when things are not going the way they want them to....
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 Posted 08/12/2011  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LastGold to your friends list
It's only the PAPER markets that can be so easily manipulated. That is why real physical precious metal markets for silver and gold will start to diverge from the corrupt and manipulated Commodity exchange markets.

In other words, if you want to know the real value of an ounce of Gold or Silver - check ebay or the coin shops. Soon the paper exchanges will be irrelevant! I would never consider holding silver or gold in an exchange (or ETF for that matter). In my mind, if you can't hold it in your hand - you don't own it!
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 Posted 08/12/2011  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list

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I think they did that in order to control counter party risk



These are arcane concepts here and on other PM forums.

Ergo, it is a futile discussion.

Good Day.
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 Posted 08/12/2011  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
Counter party risk is probably something that many of us would be familiar with. It is when someone does not hold up to their end of the bargain. So it would be like if you sold a car to someone and that person decided not to pay for it or if someone signed a lease to rent an apartment and then decided not to pay the rent.
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 Posted 08/13/2011  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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It's only the PAPER markets that can be so easily manipulated.

I'm not convinced that the paper and bullion markets are completely divorced from each other. A silver ETF, for example, is a paper product yet the ETF fiduciary might well be holding hundreds or thousands of tons of silver bullion in various vaults. Dumping a chunk of that hoard into the market could have some serious price repercussions. Buying a huge amount of bullion could as well.

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 Posted 08/14/2011  05:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list
Paper and bullion markets typically move in tandem most of the time. However, sometimes there is a large divergence until the arbitragers hop on board. Then the paper and bullion prices will be back in synch for a while.

When the CME changes margins back to a typical 5-10% of contract value, markets always make big moves up or down depending on whether they were overbought or oversold. Raising margins now will force many traders to liquidate positions or provide more margin money. Net result is a drop in price that tends to feed on itself until all traders have the required margins for their holdings.

For those of you wanting to increase your gold holdings, now is the time to look for deals. It may be your last chance for months.

I have been anticipating $22 silver at the end of October, but the prices have been holding steady. Now with raised gold margins, $22 silver the 3rd week of October may now actually be a reality. If the gold/silver ratio holds at 40:1, we might even see $1000 gold in a few months. If I am right, every dime I can find will go into PM.

I just looked at a gold chart (http://www.commoditycharts.com/char...CANDLE&a=M). The first support I see for gold is at $1000, with almost impossible-to-penetrate support down to $800. The coming months look like the buying opportunity of the century.
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 Posted 08/14/2011  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
I already see gold at $1,000 they just have to announce the 3 for 2 split, (plus or minus 100) the memo is on it's way.
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 Posted 08/14/2011  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
On the support for gold don't under estimate moving averages and fibonacci retracements for support. IMHO I see lots of support higher than 1000/ oz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_retracement
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 Posted 08/14/2011  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list

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I already see gold at $1,000 they just have to announce the 3 for 2 split, (plus or minus 100) the memo is on it's way.


Who is "they?" And HOW do you split gold 3 for 2?
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 Posted 08/14/2011  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
He was just joking
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 Posted 08/15/2011  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LastGold to your friends list
mmerlin:

I hope you're right, Silver going to $22 an ounce, would be a huge blessing...

Wonder if JP Morgan and HSBC have one more manipulation in them?

One can only hope...
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 Posted 08/15/2011  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
As for a gold 2 to 3 split, obviously you just have to change the universal gravitational constant by 50%. Then your 2 oz will weigh 3 oz.
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 Posted 08/15/2011  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
Just don't take it to the moon, it will weigh less.
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 Posted 08/15/2011  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list

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Just don't take it to the moon, it will weigh less.


And will be worthLESS.
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 Posted 08/16/2011  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
Yeah, I can see it all now. The 1st lunar colony begins mining, hoping to find oxides that can be converted into breathable oxygen and ice that can be purified into drinking water. Instead, they find billions of tons of high grade gold and silver ores. "DRAT! Just when we thought that we might find something useful!".
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